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Introduction to Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995 (2001)

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Re: Introduction to Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995 (2001)

#121

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Did you just, like, purchase it without having any concept of what it was? It's certainly different from Calvin and Hobbes, but there was no indication that it wouldn't be. Making a fairly artistic book with niche appeal is actually the opposite of a cash grab.

Perhaps. But I get the sense from folks here that anyone who once did massive hits (like Calvin and Hobbes) are simply beyond reproach, which is ridiculous to me. Even as an art book, the art feels weirdly AI-like to me and not particularly special. Again, personal opinion. I thought it was overrated for what it was. Everyone is free to buy it to support him though if they feel differently about it.

I’ve replied to your other comment and I am replying again only after reading the other comments here, but I just realized here that I don’t think anyone is invalidating your experience of not liking it, but specifically reacting to the term cash grab.

Re: Introduction to Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995 (2001)

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post #51

Here's my list of 34 personal favorite C&H comics: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XryL7duzj_WZEy0dtdDO48_s...

Perhaps if you like it you should add "My skills are undervalued":

https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1990/05/19

Should strike a chord with the software devs and the way they perceive their skills.

Re: Introduction to Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995 (2001)

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post #101

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He did some guest strips on Pearls Before Swine a few years back, but I think he’s been largely enjoying just making the art he wants to make which isn’t comic strips. I’ve often said that Charles Schulz was the Beatles of comic strips. The cartoonists who came after fell into categories: those who said they were influenced by him and those who lied about it. But given your evaluation, perhaps it’s more relevant to s…

The strips in question (if you have gocomics.com access): https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2014/06/04 https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2014/06/05 https://www.gocomics.com/pearlsbeforeswine/2014/06/06

wow

Re: Introduction to Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995 (2001)

#124
post #9

Since influential people are on this forum, someone should get Bill Watterson nominated for the Nobel prize in literature. His work deserves that honor as much as, if not more than, Bob Dylan.

> His work deserves that honor as much as, if not more than, Bob Dylan. Could you explain why? I love Calvin and Hobbes. However Dylan played a role in political and human rights movements at a key time. I don’t see this sort of influence in Calvin and Hobbes and Watterson was apparently fired from one job for his lack of political knowledge (assuming the wikipedia entry is correct).

I was curious, so I went the Wikipedia page, and it says[0]:

Not the least of these challenges was his unfamiliarity with the Cincinnati political scene, as he had never resided in or near the city, having grown up in the Cleveland area and attending college in central Ohio. The Post fired Watterson before his contract was up.

That passage cites an interview with Watterson[1] as its only source. The source material:

Watterson: I didn't hit the ground running. Cincinnati at that time was also beginning to realize it had major cartooning talent in Jim Borgman, at the city's other paper, and I didn't benefit from the comparison.

Christie: I'm not familiar...

Watterson: He's syndicated through King Features, and had been for a couple years by the time I arrived in Cincinnati. This is an odd story. Borgman graduated from Kenyon Collage the year before I went there, and it was his example that inspired me to pursue political cartooning. He had drawn cartoons at Kenyon, and landed his job at the Cincinnati Enquirer right after graduation. His footsteps seemed like good ones to follow, so I cultivated an interest in politics, and Borgman helped me a lot in learning how to construct an editorial cartoon. Neither of us dreamed I'd end up in the same town on the opposite paper. I don't know to what extent the comparison played a role in my editor's not liking my work, but I was very intimidated by working on a major city paper and I didn't feel free to experiment, really, or to travel down my own path. I very early caught on that the editor had something specific in mind that he was looking for, and I tried to accommodate him in order to get published. His idea was that he was going to publish only my very best work so that I wouldn't embarress the newspaper while I learned the ropes. As sound as that idea may be from the management standpoint, it was disastrous for me because I was only getting a couple cartoons a week printed. I would turn out rough idea after rough idea, and he would veto eighty percent of them. As a result I lost all my self-confidence, and his intervention was really unhealthy, i think, as far as letting me experiment and make mistakes, and become a stronger cartoonist for it. Obviously, if he wanted a more experienced cartoonist, he shouldn't have hired a kid just out of college. I pretty much prostituted myself for six months but I couldn't please him, so he sent me packing.

One should take content on Wikipedia with a grain of salt.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Watterson#Early_work

[1]: https://web.archive.org/web/20060212121427/http://home3.inet...

Re: Introduction to Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995 (2001)

#126
post #112

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I have a nephew turning six this year and have been considering getting him some of the collections as well, wondering if it would have the same formative impact on him as on me. I remember reading the strip in the paper as a six-year-old blonde kid and coming away with the impression that there was nothing weird about daydreaming all the time, or being articulate, or having an aversion to team sports, etc. all of wh…

My 6 year old loves the colorful Sunday ones... but he has me read them to him and I don't think for many of them he doesn't 'get it' yet. My guess is that the truly ideal age is around 9 or 10. That being said, I think there's no wrong time to introduce them.

> ... 9 or 10 ?

I think it just keeps growing on you. Some themes in C&H are appreciated when you are older. Love and death. Friendship. Being kind to environment. Fakery in news...

Re: Introduction to Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995 (2001)

#127
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Re: Introduction to Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995 (2001)

#128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps. But I get the sense from folks here that anyone who once did massive hits (like Calvin and Hobbes) are simply beyond reproach, which is ridiculous to me. Even as an art book, the art feels weirdly AI-like to me and not particularly special. Again, personal opinion. I thought it was overrated for what it was. Everyone is free to buy it to support him though if they feel differently about it.

I’ve replied to your other comment and I am replying again only after reading the other comments here, but I just realized here that I don’t think anyone is invalidating your experience of not liking it, but specifically reacting to the term cash grab.

Fair. I might have been a bit harsh with that point in hindsight.

Re: Introduction to Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995 (2001)

#129
post #51

Here's my list of 34 personal favorite C&H comics: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1XryL7duzj_WZEy0dtdDO48_s...

Perhaps if you like it you should add "My skills are undervalued": https://www.gocomics.com/calvinandhobbes/1990/05/19 Should strike a chord with the software devs and the way they perceive their skills.

I do like this one. Related, I also like the series a few years later with Calvin and Susie haggling over how much it'd cost for him to eat a worm.

But these are personal preferences, not a list of an objective "best" comics. For example, a lot of folks really love the artwork of the dinosaurs, or space, or a lot of the other scenes that Watterson draws. They like being drawn into Calvin's imaginative world, and I totally understand that. But for me the "daydream" comics don't make it onto my list, and that's not to say they aren't great.

Re: Introduction to Calvin and Hobbes: Sunday Pages 1985-1995 (2001)

#130
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is exactly what Watterson wanted. (He famously “came back” for a gag, but he hasn’t “sold out” and is apparently happy doing what he does, set for life.) https://stephanpastis.wordpress.com/2014/06/07/ever-wished-t...

No, nonsense. What he wanted was to "not sellout". He just didn't understand that meant C&H would slide into obscurity.

I think he knew C&H would slide to obscurity because he knew the entire comics page was on that trajectory.
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