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A reawakening of systems programming meetups

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Re: A reawakening of systems programming meetups

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I was on the board of directors for a local Linux Users Group and can echo the difficulties in finding a venue. In a city full of empty office spaces on a weekday night it was virtually impossible to find a stable meeting location. Without a stable meeting location you are much less likely to establish a core group since people do not like to have to learn how to get to different venues. Mozilla hosted us at one poin…

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Re: A reawakening of systems programming meetups

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I was on the board of directors for a local Linux Users Group and can echo the difficulties in finding a venue. In a city full of empty office spaces on a weekday night it was virtually impossible to find a stable meeting location. Without a stable meeting location you are much less likely to establish a core group since people do not like to have to learn how to get to different venues. Mozilla hosted us at one poin…

Even when a company offers meeting space, they can be overbearing about it. I was involved a tiny bit in reviving a local interest group of high-powered programmers. Another person, who did all the actual hard work, of meeting organizing, got meeting space at a Big Tech company... Unfortunately, as a Big Tech (and in the surveillance capialism space), it was complete with signing in with security in the lobby, gettin…

> it was complete with signing in with security in the lobby, getting a guest badge for the visit

This doesn't sound unreasonable to me if you were using a private companies space. The company providing the floor space and security.

Sure there may be easier venues but I wouldn't expect less than this if I was going to be using a company's boardroom for my meeting space.

Re: A reawakening of systems programming meetups

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> I do believe that it should be a mandate for the municipality to provide meeting space for local non-profit and special interest groups. Japan has these. There’s local community centers basically everywhere which can be used as a meeting space for a token fee (I think it was like $5/hour last I checked). My local center in the middle of Tokyo is just three floors of rooms that people can use for whatever they need.

In 2024 Japan you could also just buy a house for 10k USD and call it your club house :p

Not in Tokyo. The meme is that you basically need to pay somebody if you want to sit down and get some peace and quiet for a bit in the afternoon.

Re: A reawakening of systems programming meetups

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In my experience $20-$70 an hour is too much. We were offered $50/hour meeting space at a local incubator, but the numbers never added up. It is hard enough to get people to show up if it is free, requiring people to pay to attend a casual meetup would not work in our situation. Who is going to foot the multi thousand dollar per year bill for meeting space? This is why municipalities need to provide this space for fr…

Why should my tax dollars pay for your special interest group to have free meetups? How would we distribute access to this newly created resource equitably? I don't disagree with the concept, but it gets hairy in the particulars. The problem is that of course we rarely ever get to vote on issues such as "should we build a community meeting space?" so we never really get to understand how the electorate truly feels.

Because it's not just this but a bunch of random groups? My local library has events in meeting rooms for ESL speakers to practice English, baby book reading clubs, board game meetups, study sessions, sessions to help people with tech problems, immunisation, and of course .... book clubs.

The rule is simple: you running a non-commercial event? You can use the space for free. Commercial component? Pay an hourly rate that comes out to ~$5 per person or so. There are some restrictions on events based on space but it's an obviously good thing in the same way a public park or water fountains are.

Re: A reawakening of systems programming meetups

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Even when a company offers meeting space, they can be overbearing about it. I was involved a tiny bit in reviving a local interest group of high-powered programmers. Another person, who did all the actual hard work, of meeting organizing, got meeting space at a Big Tech company... Unfortunately, as a Big Tech (and in the surveillance capialism space), it was complete with signing in with security in the lobby, gettin…

> it was complete with signing in with security in the lobby, getting a guest badge for the visit This doesn't sound unreasonable to me if you were using a private companies space. The company providing the floor space and security. Sure there may be easier venues but I wouldn't expect less than this if I was going to be using a company's boardroom for my meeting space.

Yeah, but with some companies, you expect them to abuse the information they gain in the process of getting your name, getting your photo, etc.

Re: A reawakening of systems programming meetups

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I was on the board of directors for a local Linux Users Group and can echo the difficulties in finding a venue. In a city full of empty office spaces on a weekday night it was virtually impossible to find a stable meeting location. Without a stable meeting location you are much less likely to establish a core group since people do not like to have to learn how to get to different venues. Mozilla hosted us at one poin…

A lot of the co-working spaces around here let members host tech meet-ups for free, I assume because it serves as good advertising.

Re: A reawakening of systems programming meetups

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Even when a company offers meeting space, they can be overbearing about it. I was involved a tiny bit in reviving a local interest group of high-powered programmers. Another person, who did all the actual hard work, of meeting organizing, got meeting space at a Big Tech company... Unfortunately, as a Big Tech (and in the surveillance capialism space), it was complete with signing in with security in the lobby, gettin…

> it was complete with signing in with security in the lobby, getting a guest badge for the visit This doesn't sound unreasonable to me if you were using a private companies space. The company providing the floor space and security. Sure there may be easier venues but I wouldn't expect less than this if I was going to be using a company's boardroom for my meeting space.

It's a bit strange to not have a lower-security more accessible space, though. The previous company I worked at (which was quite security-conscious) hosted meetups like this in the cafeteria which, while not something that normally was accessible to the general public, could be opened up as such without exposing any other part of the building.

Re: A reawakening of systems programming meetups

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Wow, great article. Really struck a chord with me. I help run the Boulder Ruby meetup ( https://boulder-ruby.org/ ). We survived covid, having to move venues multiple times, and the declining sexiness of Ruby. Thanks so much to our sponsors Mojotech (for space and drinks) and Github (for zoom). We're still looking for other sponsors for pizza support--if you are in the Boulder area and are interested, please reach ou…

> the declining sexiness of Ruby What is replacing it?

For startups? In my anecdotal experience, it's nodejs/javascript, but the HN data says python: https://www.hntrends.com/2024/may.html?compare=ruby&compare=...

And I should be clear, it is really the declining sexiness of Ruby on Rails. Lots and lots of systems folks still use ruby. I personally think that Rails is one of the best languages for delivering a web based MVP, but if you look at the number of participants in the Boulder Ruby meetup, it is much lower than it was 10 years ago.

We still have a number of folks (like me) who like ruby so much that even though they are not using it in their day job, they show up for the meetup.

Re: A reawakening of systems programming meetups

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Who's up for one in Boston? I'll organize if I can find some speakers.

I go to a Linux User Group meetup at Lowell Makes[0] on the 2nd and 4th Thursday. You don't have to be a member of the makerspace to join, but it is a very nice resource :)

Our meetups have been very casual, just hanging out with some laptops, sometimes with pizza and beer. We tend to just talk about projects we think are cool, and things we're working on or learning.

https://lowellmakes.spaces.nexudus.com/events/1415349776/lin...

Also I am the "Robby" on the "contact..." line, so if you have questions feel free to direct them at me :D

[0] https://lowellmakes.com/

Re: A reawakening of systems programming meetups

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> I do believe that it should be a mandate for the municipality to provide meeting space for local non-profit and special interest groups. Japan has these. There’s local community centers basically everywhere which can be used as a meeting space for a token fee (I think it was like $5/hour last I checked). My local center in the middle of Tokyo is just three floors of rooms that people can use for whatever they need.

I'm interested and I need this. Do you have some additional info for me maybe? Thank you!!!

You can generally find one by searching for ‘{town name}公民館’. I used one daily for a couple of months once as the internet in my new place wasn’t ready yet. Sometimes I would just ‘borrow’ the WiFi while staying inside my car. The internet is generally very fast and you’re not competing for traffic with anyone else.

A friend also organises painting classes in his local one.

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