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A reawakening of systems programming meetups

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Re: A reawakening of systems programming meetups

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I was on the board of directors for a local Linux Users Group and can echo the difficulties in finding a venue. In a city full of empty office spaces on a weekday night it was virtually impossible to find a stable meeting location. Without a stable meeting location you are much less likely to establish a core group since people do not like to have to learn how to get to different venues. Mozilla hosted us at one poin…

Even when a company offers meeting space, they can be overbearing about it.

I was involved a tiny bit in reviving a local interest group of high-powered programmers. Another person, who did all the actual hard work, of meeting organizing, got meeting space at a Big Tech company...

Unfortunately, as a Big Tech (and in the surveillance capialism space), it was complete with signing in with security in the lobby, getting a guest badge for the visit, going to whatever presumable compartmentalized area, and the company presumably doing all the snooping things they could think of...

Every time I considered going to a meeting, the idea of going out of my way to be Big Tech's b-word, before I even got into the meeting, was a turn-off.

I like your community centers idea. The public libraries here have some meeting rooms. Sometimes someone at a university department can open up meeting space to the public.

Someone else mentioned makerspaces, which is an idea I hadn't thought of, but maybe complementary to makerspaces, as well as great marketing for adding members.

Re: A reawakening of systems programming meetups

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I was on the board of directors for a local Linux Users Group and can echo the difficulties in finding a venue. In a city full of empty office spaces on a weekday night it was virtually impossible to find a stable meeting location. Without a stable meeting location you are much less likely to establish a core group since people do not like to have to learn how to get to different venues. Mozilla hosted us at one poin…

That's what "community centers" are for! A town next to mine has one of those, and any town resident can rent a room for a reasonable amount of money ($20 to $70/hour depending on room size). So as long as at least one group member is from the right town, the room is guaranteed.

But can you really guarantee it at the same time every week?

Re: A reawakening of systems programming meetups

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm surprised that universities don't open their doors to such events for everyone You have to be very careful about letting people use your facilities to host events. Unfortunately, grifters will use any opportunity to do something on a university campus as a way to imply they are associated with the university. Even self-help author Tim Ferriss recommended this trick in his “Four Hour Work Week” book: He advised…

The mentioned TUMuchdata requires a signed form, in German, handed over in person (not email) to join their community. I think this is not required to just attend one of their events. The events are at the university campus which is quite off, and makes it relatively inconvenient to get there if you are not at the university anyway. So, I guess they found a viable filter.

You can attend all events without signing a form, I’m pretty sure no one would also mind if you volunteer without being a member.

The form is only a thing in case you’d like to support a registered nonprofit and has no influence on your participation.

(EDIT) there are also events in the city, Munich Database Meetup, which are less frequent.

Re: A reawakening of systems programming meetups

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> I used to attend a bunch of meetups before the pandemic. But I quickly got disillusioned. Almost every meetup was varying degrees of startups pitching their product. The last straw for me was sitting through a talk at a JavaScript meetup that was by a devrel employee of a startup who literally gave a tutorial for their product. My favorite local meetups fell to problems like this. It was easy to filter out the DevR…

I get what you, and other commenters here, are going for. But getting speakers is still hard in the first place. And as I mentioned in the post, I see high quality talks as 100% marketing. They're just marketing for your engineering team, rather than for your product. I think we'd have trouble attracting the high quality speakers we do today if we set restrictions some commenters have suggested such as attending the…

I like your approach and think it sounds very balanced. Creating and preparing for a high quality talk is quite a lot of work, so it’s maybe a bit unfair to expect people with jobs or startups to do them for purely altruistic reasons.

A talk that is mostly substance but contains a quick plug here and there has always been reasonable to me. It’s also a lot more effective for marketing than just giving a blatant product pitch, so it should be a win-win.

Re: A reawakening of systems programming meetups

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I recently moved to London and I wanted to start participating in these kind of events, where’s the best place to look for them?

There are regular C++ meetups, which I expect would cover systems programming. It seems however cloud/web people have a different idea of what systems programming is.

Is that ACCU, or someone else now?

Re: A reawakening of systems programming meetups

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In London there was Skillsmatter's Code Node. Skillsmatter had trouble getting continued funding, however CodeNode itself is used occasionally for some meeting tech things apparently, but not the continualy hosting 5 days a week of tech meetups it was so loved for.

Re: A reawakening of systems programming meetups

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post #47

I was on the board of directors for a local Linux Users Group and can echo the difficulties in finding a venue. In a city full of empty office spaces on a weekday night it was virtually impossible to find a stable meeting location. Without a stable meeting location you are much less likely to establish a core group since people do not like to have to learn how to get to different venues. Mozilla hosted us at one poin…

That's what "community centers" are for! A town next to mine has one of those, and any town resident can rent a room for a reasonable amount of money ($20 to $70/hour depending on room size). So as long as at least one group member is from the right town, the room is guaranteed.

In my experience $20-$70 an hour is too much. We were offered $50/hour meeting space at a local incubator, but the numbers never added up.

It is hard enough to get people to show up if it is free, requiring people to pay to attend a casual meetup would not work in our situation. Who is going to foot the multi thousand dollar per year bill for meeting space?

This is why municipalities need to provide this space for free. It is a very hard burden to get a single person to foot the bill for meeting space, whereas the municipality can charge everyone $50/year on their property taxes and build meeting spaces which everyone gets to use. People love to moan about taxes but I think this is one of those problems solved better in the collective.

Re: A reawakening of systems programming meetups

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I was on the board of directors for a local Linux Users Group and can echo the difficulties in finding a venue. In a city full of empty office spaces on a weekday night it was virtually impossible to find a stable meeting location. Without a stable meeting location you are much less likely to establish a core group since people do not like to have to learn how to get to different venues. Mozilla hosted us at one poin…

With GPS its not so much the location but thr change in time commitment. The new location is never 5 min from the preious but 30-45 min difference. People in these groups often have busy lives so if your 3hrs suddenly becomes 4hrs its simply less of a headache to cut the unnecessary thing rather than change 50 other things in your schedule. Eventually this scheduking effect shakes off all thr people in the group with…

Yes, generally people are adverse to change and like routine. Going to a new location requires figuring out how long it takes to get there, where do you park or get on/off transit, where is the building entrance, where within the building do you go, etc.

It is important to have consistency in time, location, and consistency to build a thriving meetup.

Re: A reawakening of systems programming meetups

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just tried to look - SF distributed systems meetup was a one-shot affair?

I'm hoping that is not the case. I signed up in the hopes there will be more.

I suppose we could meet at Lovejoy's tea room and talk about our favorite parts of the paxos paper

Re: A reawakening of systems programming meetups

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post #59

I was on the board of directors for a local Linux Users Group and can echo the difficulties in finding a venue. In a city full of empty office spaces on a weekday night it was virtually impossible to find a stable meeting location. Without a stable meeting location you are much less likely to establish a core group since people do not like to have to learn how to get to different venues. Mozilla hosted us at one poin…

> I do believe that it should be a mandate for the municipality to provide meeting space for local non-profit and special interest groups. Japan has these. There’s local community centers basically everywhere which can be used as a meeting space for a token fee (I think it was like $5/hour last I checked). My local center in the middle of Tokyo is just three floors of rooms that people can use for whatever they need.

I'm interested and I need this. Do you have some additional info for me maybe? Thank you!!!
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