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Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by KeplerBoy »

defrost wrote: post #85
userbinator wrote: post #66

As someone who has 1/1000th of that bandwidth to the Internet, and yet still only saturates that connection when transferring from some nearby sites, I'm curious how useful having a 10Gbps local connection will actually turn out to be in practice. Being able to download Linux ISOs faster is the prominent use case that comes to mind.

{ Multiple people in household each having multi-party high resolution video calls | band practice | data manipulation collaborations | 4K TV on demand } can suck up the bandwidth when the priority is smooth real-time with low interactive latency. It's not always going to be peak demand, but it'll be noticable when everybody piles on at particular times of day. TBH I have relatively low bandwidth most of the time and…

You absolutely cannot saturate a 10 Gbit link with today's consumer's needs, let alone with today's consumer hardware.

That's hundreds of Netflix 4k streams.

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by jokteur »

ftigis wrote: post #19

In Singapore there's a telco intending to launch 10 Gbps fiber for 30 SGD (~22.35 USD) per month. likely to be asymmetric though, since their 2.5 Gbps service at ~16.24 USD per month is advertised as 2.5 Gbps down and 1.25 Gbps up.

I'm getting symmetric 10 Gbps for 49CHF (~54$) per month in Switzerland, and this is one of the most expensive countries in the world.

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by mschuster91 »

basil-rash wrote: post #88
ssl-3 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Netflix themselves say that 15Mbps is enough for 4k. 1.2Gbps downstream is enough for >50 such 4k video streams without saturation -- something that will probably never happen in any household, even in Grandma's house on Christmas Eve with a bunch of grandkids around. Meanwhile, I've had single-player games of Factorio of medium complexity that would saturate 20Mbps upstream. Nobody needs a connection that is so heav…

Why is single player factorio phoning home so heavily?

It's about video streaming. The challenge with Factorio is that there is always lots of very tiny little changes on the screen from all the tiny boxes and trays of stuff moving around on belts, which means if you want acceptable video quality, you need a lot of bitrate as the usual h264/h265 compression magic of just encoding differences between frames doesn't work out any more - too much change between frames, you're (effectively) forcing the codec to transmit full frames all the time.

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by ornornor »

jwells89 wrote: post #36
lillecarl wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's more to a connection than speed, there might be data limits, there might be latency differences and it might just be unavailable or expensive. I'm not from the US, but if it's somewhat economically viable, go for the underdog.

In the US it’s also not uncommon for connections to be not only asymmetrical, but downright lopsided. Comcast sells “gigabit” in my area that’s 1.2Gbps down but only like 20Mbps up which is just silly. Thankfully a competitor offers true gigabit for about the same price, and so that’s what I subscribe to.

Can you even achieve 1200 down with only 20 up? Is it enough bandwidth to send all the ACKs back and get full speed down?

Re: Utah Locals Are Getting Cheap 10 Gbps Fiber Thanks to Local Governments

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Post by ornornor »

jokteur wrote: post #122
ftigis wrote: post #19

In Singapore there's a telco intending to launch 10 Gbps fiber for 30 SGD (~22.35 USD) per month. likely to be asymmetric though, since their 2.5 Gbps service at ~16.24 USD per month is advertised as 2.5 Gbps down and 1.25 Gbps up.

I'm getting symmetric 10 Gbps for 49CHF (~54$) per month in Switzerland, and this is one of the most expensive countries in the world.

Besides Swisscom, internet is very reasonably priced in Switzerland. I had 1gbit symmetrical without contract or install fee and free equipment (including a standalone fiber to Ethernet converter) for 49.- a month.

Many cities or communities have built a municipal fiber network that any provider can lease and they’ve also wired up all buildings (inside) at the time. Only Swisscom (owned by the govt) is doing everything they can to get in the way of these municipal rollouts and keep the prices high.

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Post by bobthepanda »

ethbr1 wrote: post #47
mikeyouse wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a pretty silly comment given the "private" options that could have been at gbps speed for a decade+ are still at DSL and Cable speeds. Blind faith in 'the market' to solve these things after it's failed to do so seems odd.

Parent's argument wasn't that the existent private market was great, but rather that a public utility monopolizing the market might not be great in the future.

Who says they’re monopolizing it?

I’m not aware of any municipal deployment that is a monopoly, and the one in the article is open-access.

> The inter-local agency collaborative venture then set about building an “open access” fiber network that allows any ISP to then come and compete on the shared network.

Comcast et. al can still build all the fiber they want to in these markets.

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Post by sofixa »

userbinator wrote: post #66

As someone who has 1/1000th of that bandwidth to the Internet, and yet still only saturates that connection when transferring from some nearby sites, I'm curious how useful having a 10Gbps local connection will actually turn out to be in practice. Being able to download Linux ISOs faster is the prominent use case that comes to mind.

Video games. AAA titles, even not brand new ones (like Red Dead Redemption 2, Flight Simulator X) can run in the 100GB+ range.

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #73
ncallaway wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (2) Government run internet is bound to eventually be lobbied to be safe This would be a clear cut first amendment violation. These kinds of things would be less likely to be restricted by a government ISP than a private party ISP.

You mean a 1A violation like the government pressuring media companies to push their narratives? Because we have seen this year no one seems to care enough.

If you are unable to exercise your first amendment rights, you sue, and you win. This happens over and over again. Media companies push whatever narratives they want to.

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Post by lostlogin »

i2shar wrote: post #86
zer00eyz wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can’t even use that much bandwidth. I built an opnsense box (part of my proxmox cluster) and passed through a dual 10gbe nic. That whole PC was cheaper than any off the shelf routing solution I could find. The rest of the network is going to take time... I suspect that im gonna end up with a few fiber runs in the house before all is said and done.

What networking gear do you use inside your home? What router? Do they terminate an actual fiber connection (SFP+) to your home or you get 10GB Ethernet?

I’m not the op, but I can recommend the Unifi link aggregation switch and cheap Mellanox connectX3 cards. They are about $20 and are amazing. Fibre runs aren’t expensive but the transceivers are so copper DAC is good for short runs (as the connectors are built in).

Thunderbolt sfp adaptors also work.

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Post by vasco »

theyeenzbeanz wrote: post #15

Comcast lobbied so hard to get our local mileage for fiber expansion voted down. When it passed, they suddenly decided they’re going to spend 6 figures worth of money to expand their own fiber backdown (they’re not even to the house). Its amazing when corporations will spend more money fighting something than actually implementing said thing.

6 figures? For a single house or?
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