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No actual stalker is going to be troubled by the @ElonJet ban. (I'm not sure who "the most actively violent faction in the country" is.) It's on other platforms and the plane publicly broadcasts its location. https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=a2ae0a

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Re: Tesla is being investigated for securities and wire fraud for self-driving claim

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Absolutely. If Martha Stewart went to jail for much less, a certain CEO[1] should be doing some hard time for ludicrous claims over the past 8 years. Some back-of-the-napkin-math: If we focus on the 4m Model 3 (& Y) vehicles sold that had these claims attached and assume that there was a peak uptake rate of 46% declining to 11% as these claims became obviously untrue. On FSD @ an ever-increasing price of $6000-$12000…

We all need to remember Musk wasn't the founder. He was an early investor that forced the founders out. We can argue about whether the founders would have been more/less successful but he didn't found Tesla. [ https://www.theverge.com/23815634/tesla-elon-musk-origin-fou... ]

Elon "take-n-tank" Musk the brand destroyer lol

I have an even funnier one for you: That viral video of when he was bald and bought that very expensive McLaren... "It's the highlight of my life" he said shortly before totaling the car with no insurance.

"He's a genius!"

Re: Tesla is being investigated for securities and wire fraud for self-driving claim

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> "bought Twitter" and shut down free speech Citation needed. The platform is more open and vibrant than ever, even going so far as to reinstate free speech that old Twitter shut down at the request of the US government. If anything, he liberated free speech and it shows.

> The platform is more open and vibrant than ever You reveal your lack of experience with Twitter, it's declined a lot. Pretty sure you can't even link to a tweet (a xweet?) from a news article or blog post - they totally killed the platform, not sure where you've been.

What you claim is clearly incorrect. First, major news outlets all over the world are still linking to twitter posts daily, not least because most of the worlds journalists are still actively using twitter, so obviously this feature still works. Also, there has never been more product development on Twitter/X than since the Musk takeover. Examples include community notes, creator revenue sharing and the features tied to the purchased blue checkmark (eg. Posts longer than 280 chars).

The major handicapping of the platform compared to earlier is that only the post linked to is now visible to non-users, whereas the whole thread it was part of was previously visible.

Re: Tesla is being investigated for securities and wire fraud for self-driving claim

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I can tell by the upvote/downvote dance on the parent comment - people love their celebrities. They get really mad if you talk bad about Elon Musk lol I find it quite pathetic personally. I of course disagree - I don't see the "huge service". Everything from defrauding investors, customers, speaking out of school (saying he's a physicist in the early days), hanging out with Ghislaine Maxwell, stealing then tanking Te…

I'm not sure how you'd see the "dance" but anyway... I'd hold the "visited decisive politics" hypothesis at a much higher probability over "celebrity parasocial loyalties" for down and up voting in this case. That said, trying to guess at the motivations of the diverse crowd here is fraught at best.

Really you've never seen a comment of yours bounce around negative and positive on polarizing issues? It's kinda cool to see, makes this platform feel more solid than others.

> celebrity loyalty

You must have missed that meme https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/477/624/072...

It was in response to the insufferable worship happening in comment sections everywhere. I wonder how much he was paying for PR each month back then, and what agency he uses. At any rate, that there was a good meme.

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Securities fraud again, funny that the guy who "bought Twitter" and shut down free speech ended up getting sued himself due to his own tweet (lying about # of Teslas being produced). It's like a bully trying to chase someone but tripping over their shoelace in the first step, love it. On self-driving: For several years the guy has been saying "next month" "next year" it's been like 10+ years at this point. He's a big…

1) Linking to Tweets still exists, and doesn't require that you're logged in to view them.

2) According to their own released numbers (which you may or may not trust), the usage of the platform is at a record high.

3) They've unbanned many accounts that were previously banned and seem to display a wider tolerance for free speech on the platform. The innovative community notes feature is sometimes helpful to point out misinformation, but misinformation thrives on the platform.

4) They've pushed back on various foriegn governments requesting data on users and requesting users or posts be banned (see the ongoing dispute with Brazil.)

It seems more free, not less free.

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> The platform is more open and vibrant than ever You reveal your lack of experience with Twitter, it's declined a lot. Pretty sure you can't even link to a tweet (a xweet?) from a news article or blog post - they totally killed the platform, not sure where you've been.

A lot of people are really defensive about this. What's the big deal if X does well? Why are people so personally invested in pretending like Elon didn't do the world a huge service by removing Twitter from the control of possibly the most politically extreme and anti-constitutional subculture in the entire country?

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Re: Tesla is being investigated for securities and wire fraud for self-driving claim

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This site[1], which is a pretty comprehensive list of claims Musk has made and how long it’s been, made the rounds on HN a few times. It’s really incredible how much exaggeration comes out of the guy’s mouth. I don’t think it all counts as fraud, but at some point you gotta say Dude, Stop Talking. 1: https://elonmusk.today/

Last month he stood before the SpaceX staff in Boca Chica and outlined how he still believes that he will get 1 million people on Mars by the 2050s. U til they can start producing 100’s of Starships, this is not even remotely realistic. Sending thousands of people to Mars in the next 5 years is not a serious or realistic idea.

I mean, what those 1 million people would be even doing there? What would be their purpose there? Definitely not resources, because getting anything from Mars would not be economical.

I do understand to have an international base of few dozens to few hundred scientists on Mars who will be studying it 24/7. But that's about it.

Re: Tesla is being investigated for securities and wire fraud for self-driving claim

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This is about defrauding people who bought a tesla, not investors. > In 2020, Musk told a crowd in Shanghai that he remains “confident” that Tesla will achieve “basic functionality for level five autonomy this year,” referring to the SAE’s rankings of autonomy. Tesla’s technology, in 2024, is still at level 2. This reminds me alot of the Thernos case where she tried to make the case not about fraud but about an overl…

> This reminds me alot of the Thernos case where she tried to make the case not about fraud but about an overly optimistic CEO promising something and being wrong about that. Right, and that fell apart with, well, many things, but the one that stands out to me - upcoming FDA inspection, and Holmes (in something out of a cartoon) literally had someone put a filing cabinet in front of the door to the lab where they wer…

She wasn't convicted of... whatever that was (extremely low-effort obstruction of justice?), though, she was convicted of defrauding her investors. Notably, she got off on the charges of defrauding her customers, for, truly, it is easier for a camel to fit through the eye of a needle than for a rich person to get in trouble for injuring the general public.
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