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Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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Post by sokoloff » Thu, Feb 22, 2024, 10:33 AM UTC

talldatethrow wrote: post #79

LightHugger wrote: post #76

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youtube is doing it's best to now hobble search functionality on youtube, which is already a disaster from a discoverablity perspective. not to mention the huge amount of content that gets deleted due to claims of all kinda of nonsense and other bogus reports and faulty automated detection.

I've tried to find speeches by someone I know the name of, and know basically half the title of the video, and know the context of the video that's for sure in the description or in the comments, and because I got a word or two wrong in the title, I get tons of other videos by the same guy, that have zero of the keywords that I included. Eventually I find it and I shake my head wondering how YouTube/Google could get…

YouTube gets more minutes watched and ads shown if you discover other videos via search.

It’s not like Google search, where being the best at search is a meaningful competitive advantage and necessary for survival. If YouTube found a credible competitor, I strongly suspect they’d improve their search (from the users’ perspective).

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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Post by lupusreal » Thu, Feb 22, 2024, 10:35 AM UTC

alkonaut wrote: post #115

krisoft wrote: post #97

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> I just want to watch shows/films/content that I heard people recommend to me (not algorithms - people). How do you even start doing that on youtube? I don’t understand your question. You talk with people you care about, they tell you what they recommend and then you use the search bar to locate the content and watch it. This is so obviously the answer to your question that I am worried I am misunderstanding you in…

If someone mentions a TV show and I search for it, there will be 100 reviews of the show, 1000 short clips of the show. Try yourself: think of a TV show that was big in the last 10 years, then search for it on YouTube. Whether or not the actual content is ON youtube (which is the question my search is trying to answer) you'll get thousands of search results. In the off chance that the actual content of the show is ac…

On the page for a channel, click the Videos 'tab' to see list of the channels videos ordered by most recent.

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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Post by newaccount74 » Thu, Feb 22, 2024, 10:36 AM UTC

subtra3t wrote: post #82

huytersd wrote: post #75

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Oh, I’m sorry I asked.

What did they say?

Laura Kampf and Jet Lag. not sure why they were flagged. The former is a DIY channel, not sure what the latter is.

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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Post by lupusreal » Thu, Feb 22, 2024, 10:37 AM UTC

_dark_matter_ wrote: post #98

Timshel wrote: post #83

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If you want any recommandation subscription is needed. I use multiple profile to separate things like more learning focused vs gaming or whatever. Never watch a silly random video in one of those profile.

This sounds like an exhausting amount of work for a paid product

You don't really need an account. The recommendation algorithm works well with just a cookie.

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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Post by offices » Thu, Feb 22, 2024, 10:43 AM UTC

spike021 wrote: post #33

electriclove wrote: post #16

I can’t stand how they shove YouTube Shorts down our throats and don’t give us a way to disable that. I am a huge fan of YouTube overall and have been happy to pay to have an ad-free experience

IMO what Instagram has done is worse. Reels every other post in the feed, reels in stories, reels specific tab. On top of all that, yesterday I wanted to post a 5 second video post, just a regular video post, of my dog doing something, and no matter what I did it insisted on posting it as a reel, even though at one point I cancelled the new post, went back to the "new post" view, made sure "post" not "reel" was selec…

It's very subjective, but Reels are actually the only way my close friends interact with Instagram now. As Facebook did, it's gone from a platform for sharing ourselves to a platform for sharing third-party 'content'[1]

[1] stolen pet tiktoks

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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Post by lupusreal » Thu, Feb 22, 2024, 10:44 AM UTC

happytiger wrote: post #20

Tv has become so insufferable boring that my entire household has stopped watching, except for YouTube. Audible has been picking up and people who live in my house are actually reading books again.

With American television at least, I think you need brain damage to tolerate it. This is why most of the people still watching it are people with dementia in nursing homes.

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Post by newaccount74 » Thu, Feb 22, 2024, 10:46 AM UTC

MaxikCZ wrote: post #118

subtra3t wrote: post #82

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What did they say?

Yea i too think that we should be able to click "[flagged]" to see original post

If you click the timestamp you can read it. Maybe there's a Karma limit, though.

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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Post by justneedaname » Thu, Feb 22, 2024, 10:46 AM UTC

alkonaut wrote: post #115

krisoft wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I just want to watch shows/films/content that I heard people recommend to me (not algorithms - people). How do you even start doing that on youtube? I don’t understand your question. You talk with people you care about, they tell you what they recommend and then you use the search bar to locate the content and watch it. This is so obviously the answer to your question that I am worried I am misunderstanding you in…

If someone mentions a TV show and I search for it, there will be 100 reviews of the show, 1000 short clips of the show. Try yourself: think of a TV show that was big in the last 10 years, then search for it on YouTube. Whether or not the actual content is ON youtube (which is the question my search is trying to answer) you'll get thousands of search results. In the off chance that the actual content of the show is ac…

But that isn't the intended use case for YT? How are you expecting to watch a professionally produced TV show on YT for free? YT offers a catalogue of tv shows and films that you can purchase and watch on the site but I'm confused why you think you'd be able to search for a tv show and be presented with every episode nicely catalogued in order? YT has always been focused on user generated content - however in recent years you will have noticed this shift toward more professional style videos from larger channels who can afford to employ a proper team

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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Post by flanked-evergl » Thu, Feb 22, 2024, 10:47 AM UTC

internet101010 wrote: post #68

Because entertainment is a largely a commodity and whoever has the most wins. Not that complicated.

The quality of stuff I get on YouTube is way higher than most of the garbage that Netflix pumps out. YouTube is largely a meritocracy, if a creator doesn't make something that viewers want they just don't get money or views, while Netflix and Amazon Prime, on the other hand, are mostly just corporate crap factories where people keep failing upwards even if nobody is watching the crap they produce.

Re: YouTube dominates TV streaming in US, per Nielsen's latest report

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Post by guitarbill » Thu, Feb 22, 2024, 10:49 AM UTC

danpalmer wrote: post #106

sph wrote: post #87

I enjoy paying and watching Youtube Premium on my TV (through a sideloaded app), but whenever I open the official app on my iPad, I am bombarded with Shorts, every search I make returns clickbait, unrelated content among the real results and that annoys me so much I keep thinking I should stop giving Youtube any money. Google, the bloody search engine company, keeps making sure that every search I make about video ga…

How much do you use YouTube? Because as a fairly substantial user, this doesn't match my experience at all. When I wasn't watching Shorts they were present but not in-your-face. Search pretty much always returns exactly what I'm looking for, there's no clickbait except for the low level of clickbait that the channels I like use... I pay not to have ads, but that's about it. Honestly, I really enjoy it. The app could…

My experience is much closer to parent than yours, and I don't use any third party app. Yes, I have paid. And no, I'm not "just a sufficiently light user". That's pretty dismissive actually.

The official app sucks, and the desperate Shorts push is annoying at best.

Shorts are injected into the search, and search is otherwise as bad as discussed. On the bottom menu/bar, the five things are "Home", "Shorts", the plus/capture/upload button (why would I ever want to use this on mobile? oh yeah, I don't and only accidentally press it, but Youtube wants people to upload Shorts), "Subscriptions" and "Profile". This is the same on iPad.

At least with YT Music, seems they realised that the UX of the main app was so bad, they just needed a separate one. But with Shorts, the desperation for those sweet Zoomer ad views was too high, so into the main app it goes.