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Lapsus$: GTA 6 hacker handed indefinite hospital order

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Post by omoikane »

nicklecompte wrote: post #103
switch007 wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The BBC regularly updates headlines after publication (A/B testing for clicks) so it's possible it was the BBC, not the poster.

Wow - I checked the Internet Archive and you are correct, the "sentenced to life in hospital prison" headline was used when the article was originally published. I stopped reading BBC a while ago because of their sloppy standards but this is unusually bad. FWIW in this case I would suppose the BBC online editor was careless and fixed their mistake, versus "A/B testing for clicks" generally. If it was A/B testing, the…

The British way of saying this is "being economical with the truth".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economical_with_the_truth

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jvanderbot wrote: post #30

Did anyone here read TFA? He was apparently shown to be a member of a cyber "gang", and expressed zero remorse. In this case, a judge basically has to do something. > A mental health assessment used as part of the sentencing hearing said he "continued to express the intent to return to cybercrime as soon as possible. He is highly motivated." The guy was already on bail for another hack: > The jury was told that while…

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Post by hdjrbrbn »

Nextgrid wrote: post #98
kreddor wrote: post #8

> Kurtaj managed to breach Rockstar, the company behind GTA, using an Amazon Firestick, his hotel TV and a mobile phone. That's quite a feat. > Rockstar Games alone told the court that the hack cost it $5m to recover from plus thousands of hours of staff time. Either the kid is a genius or Rockstar really don't value their security much. Or maybe a bit of both?

> That's quite a feat. Is it? I don't see what the big deal is in installing a chrooted Linux environment (or SSH/RDP client to remote into an external machine) in an Android device? The fact this is even mentioned really smells like they're trying to make this guy sound more skilled and evil than he really is, potentially also to cover up for the fact that the police made an oversight in letting him be around intern…

To be fair: it is hard to not be around internet connected devices now

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Post by drewcoo »

dghlsakjg wrote: post #100
thomastjeffery wrote: post #76

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Yes, I read the article. It's full of expectations . There is the expectation that someone should be punished severely for hacking a multi-billion dollar corporation. There is the expectation that that punishment will result in them just never hacking again. There is the expectation that a person who is arrested and threatened will respond with patience, and not with their own violence. There is the expectation that…

He is being met with treatment instead of punishment. He stole and extorted, assaulted people, and destroyed property and was convicted of actual crimes. They did try to meet him at his level. They released him pending bail and he committed more crimes. He told the court that if they released him he would continue committing crimes. They aren’t sending him to prison though, because he isn’t mentally fit. They are sen…

> He is being met with treatment instead of punishment.

Treatment? From the article:

> He will remain at a secure hospital for life unless doctors deem him no longer a danger.

That sounds like punishment. For indefinitely long. Without even a trial.

If this were about treatment, we'd have details about how he'll be treated and for how long and the chances of success. Instead, we hear only about his punishment and vague scare-mongering about why it's necessary.

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Post by fb03 »

fermentation wrote: post #22
htk wrote: post #3

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You can try reading the article: "He will remain at a secure hospital for life unless doctors deem him no longer a danger."

They've got a long life ahead of them. Surely with actual care they would be released at some point right?

His life is in someone else's hands now, and will be for as long as the government wants. He might be fully reabilitated and regret his actions and they can still write him off as completely nuts with a simple signature in a document - and no one will put the doctor's statement through scrutiny.

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Post by make3 »

imglorp wrote: post #51
jvanderbot wrote: post #42

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From TFA, and given prior hacks, he's very skilled.

Someone should hire him as a white hat. Maybe they have some kind of custodial guardianship where the employer can monitor him staying clean.

That wouldn't work, you could never trust him at all, as he's expressed zero remorse and actually intent to continue to do crime, and is apparently very strongly autistic & doesn't understand the complex nuances of what is acceptable and what is not acceptable as a white hat hacker

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Post by whalesalad »

Absolutely monumental waste of talent. Reminds me of how I got expelled from high school for "hacking" into their terrible infrastructure (without causing any damage whatsoever, other than to their pride). They threw the book at me. Threatened felonies. Were going on and on about how I will never vote, never be able to work as a postal worker etc.

Get this kid into the right environment and he would probably be able to do great things.

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Post by lamontcg »

Freak_NL wrote: post #78
CaptainOfCoit wrote: post #66

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It's tough though, how do you know that they won't use those skills against you? The individual seems relatively unstable and violent, even saying during a sentencing hearing that they'll continue to do illegal breaches whenever they can. Would be great to have them on the "good" side, but would probably take a lot of energy and resources as well. Hopefully this story will have a somewhat happy ending, because it see…

He'd need a dedicated handler, and even then judging from the article's portrayal he seems like a hopelessly unmanageable type. He'd fit in with a modern-day A-team, come to think of it.

Could set him to work on hacking official state enemies, but you'd have to expect that he'd still engage in side-projects against whoever pissed him off or he had contempt for.

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Post by drewcoo »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #117
ryandrake wrote: post #67

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The article specifically says: > He will remain at a secure hospital for life unless doctors deem him no longer a danger. So he's confined for life. Confinement is confinement, whether it's a prison or hospital. This definitely seems like a case where the government found a "backdoor" to allow them to get away with confining someone for life, even though they probably couldn't do through the normal criminal justice s…

> So he's confined for life. > unless doctors deem him no longer a danger It's down to him and whether the institution he's in can do anything for him.

> It's down to him

No, it's up to the doctors.

If he changes nothing and docs say "we think he's no threat now," he could be freed.

If he completely reforms and appears harmless and the docs don't give him the thumbs-up, he stays locked up for life.

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