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Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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Post by ezfe »

paxys wrote: post #38
ezfe wrote: post #20

This is why iTunes Movies are the only place I'll buy things - not because this won't ever happen, but because I can download and continue to play those movies offline so long as iTunes software continues existing.

All iTunes movies have DRM. Read their agreement carefully and you'll see the same thing as Sony and everyone else – they are selling you a license to the media which they can revoke at any time. And Apple has done this plenty of times in the past with movies, books, apps, music.

Yes, but Apple doesn't revoke downloaded content. I'm fully aware they've done this before.

Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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Post by ezfe »

navigate8310 wrote: post #94
ezfe wrote: post #20

This is why iTunes Movies are the only place I'll buy things - not because this won't ever happen, but because I can download and continue to play those movies offline so long as iTunes software continues existing.

> ... so long as iTunes software continues existing. That's exactly where the problem lies

It's been 22 years and there's no sign it's going anywhere

Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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Post by dehrmann »

McDyver wrote: post #5

> you will no longer be able to watch any of your previously purchased Discovery content and the content will be removed Content you purchased. Their wording. Not content you rented, not license you paid for. They are effectively stealing the content you purchased.

You don't actually "purchase" physical media. It's still licensed. The question for digital purchases is how perpetual the license is. This is different from Spotify and Netflix where you clearly are renting it, and there's no confusion over that.

Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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Post by lupusreal »

dehrmann wrote: post #124
McDyver wrote: post #5

> you will no longer be able to watch any of your previously purchased Discovery content and the content will be removed Content you purchased. Their wording. Not content you rented, not license you paid for. They are effectively stealing the content you purchased.

You don't actually "purchase" physical media. It's still licensed. The question for digital purchases is how perpetual the license is. This is different from Spotify and Netflix where you clearly are renting it, and there's no confusion over that.

They are plainly stating that it was purchased.

Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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Post by Racing0461 »

MegaDeKay wrote: post #83
McDyver wrote: post #5

> you will no longer be able to watch any of your previously purchased Discovery content and the content will be removed Content you purchased. Their wording. Not content you rented, not license you paid for. They are effectively stealing the content you purchased.

From Louis Rossmann on YouTube: "If paying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing." (shamelessly copied from the top comment on /r/piracy on this very subject)

> If paying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing.

I'm stealing that (no pun intended).

Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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Post by dehrmann »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #24
wilg wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is this not also true with, say, a VHS tape? In what sense do you "own" it? You aren't legally allowed to copy it or whatever. It's still just a license.

You're allowed to copy a VHS tape, you're just not allowed to distribute copies of VHS tapes. You still own the physical tape itself, and you have a perpetual right to play, copy, and modify the tape as much as you like, for personal use.

> for personal use

This is why it's still a license. Public performances are explicitly forbidden. So it's still not "yours."

Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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Post by chongli »

MegaDeKay wrote: post #83
McDyver wrote: post #5

> you will no longer be able to watch any of your previously purchased Discovery content and the content will be removed Content you purchased. Their wording. Not content you rented, not license you paid for. They are effectively stealing the content you purchased.

From Louis Rossmann on YouTube: "If paying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing." (shamelessly copied from the top comment on /r/piracy on this very subject)

It’s never been about whether piracy was stealing or not. It’s about what the courts have to say on the matter. Find yourself on the wrong end of a big copyright case and your life gets ruined, regardless of what word you use to describe it.

Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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Post by rchaud »

dehrmann wrote: post #124
McDyver wrote: post #5

> you will no longer be able to watch any of your previously purchased Discovery content and the content will be removed Content you purchased. Their wording. Not content you rented, not license you paid for. They are effectively stealing the content you purchased.

You don't actually "purchase" physical media. It's still licensed. The question for digital purchases is how perpetual the license is. This is different from Spotify and Netflix where you clearly are renting it, and there's no confusion over that.

You can do whatever you want to with physical media, license be damned. Most people won't go further than making a physical copy to load on to their NAS. This is a license violation, but there won't be any enforcement because mass distribution via torrents is a much bigger threat.

Re: Playstation removing previously purchased Discovery content

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Post by derefr »

McDyver wrote: post #5

> you will no longer be able to watch any of your previously purchased Discovery content and the content will be removed Content you purchased. Their wording. Not content you rented, not license you paid for. They are effectively stealing the content you purchased.

Devil's advocate: you can purchase a license. The law uses terms like "purchase" and "ownership" in reference to temporary/conditional delegated ownership all the time. The legalese in contracts usually looks something like "purchasing a temporary use-right over X."

For a good — and centuries-old — example, a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leasehold_estate is something that's "owned"... but only for a certain number of years.

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