gang behaviour
Police have formed gangs: * https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/la-is-investigating... * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynwood_Vikings
The police are a gang
Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security
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Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security
#122The DOJ has to start actually doing its job and completely dissolving these corrupt police departments and rebuilding them. Thats the only way we're going to get rid of corrupts cops like this.
> The DOJ has to start actually doing its job and completely dissolving these corrupt police departments Hoover's DOJ? I wish I could believe that your comment was ironic. If it is, then touche, you got me. It's really good.
Comment classification: Nihilist/Cynicist
Root Cause: Examining the way the world is, rather than how it should be, as per the parent comment's point.
Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It's about corrupt police shaking down small business owners I don't believe that there's ever been any other kind of cop. Certainly not outside of fiction. By prefixing the adjective "corrupt" though, you're certainly buying into it. Have you never read the headlines where the entire police union tries to extort the entire city? "If we don't get enough cops on the street, bad things will happen". Hell, even more e…
What kind of society are you envisioning that can address antisocial behavior without detaining or investigating anyone?
Modern policing in the US is pretty terrible in terms of systemic corruption. If you add up the costs of, for example, overtime and detail fraud, it puts normal property crime in the shade.
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#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
What makes you think this would solve the corruption problem? Cops aren't corrupt because they're dumb , they're corrupt because the institutions they are part of allow and reward corruption. Without some mechanism to change that culture, simply adding more members to it will only bolster it. College degrees don't have anything to do with it. > I bet a lot of college graduates would kill for a pension right about now…
Do you know any cops? I know quite a few. Most of them are dumb as bricks and very easily succumb to their base instincts. They also have very over inflated egos. Thinking they know more than their citizens they're supposed to be protecting. Do you know who runs these departments? The ones with the most over inflated egos who literally think that they are in a war with their own citizens. They are also the ones that…
Surprisingly I actually do know a lot of cops. They do use the language you're talking about, they view non-cops as too weak and cowardly to do what is "necessary," the violence that they do. They also tend to be fairly unsophisticated sure but they understand what they're part of. And plenty of them are smart, and those tend to be officers in my experience.
But I simply reject the premise that any of this is caused by lack of education and can be corrected by shifting the selection criteria. You need a certain amount of moral flexibility and malice to stay a cop for long, and that will be just as true of college graduates. Policing attracts all kinds of people as it is, but it only retains the ones it can mold into a particular nasty usefulness.
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
What shortage of cops? Come to NYC, you'll see a seemingly infinite number of them parked on sidewalks/in bus lanes/bike lanes, hanging out in the subway on their phones, directing traffic where perfectly good traffic lights exist, harassing street vendors, etc. All while funding is being cut for actual public goods. There's no shortage of cops. There's a severe problem of misallocated resources. Their overtime budge…
New York is a very well paid police department as New York is a rich city. Other cities are not as wealthy and thus do not pay as well. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/us-experiencing-police-...
The effectiveness of police in clearing cases is so poor it is very difficult to tell what effect there is from a "shortage."
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#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's still a crime if you're not prosecuted for it. That just means the DA's likely in on it and the criminality is systemic. Doesn't mean the activity becomes legal.
At that point, you need the feds to come in. And boy, aren't they the shining example to depend on
The feds are hated because they aren’t beholden to local “old boy’s” networks.
Systemic corruption is endemic in the US, but that’s very different from individual FBI agents taking bribes.
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#127Vultures picking what away at parts of a corpse they can. You see so many examples of this, just straight parasitical behavior, in at least American society. I don’t think the U.S. is economically where the Soviet Union was when it fell, but it’s rapidly approaching the civic dysfunction and deep corruption. You have to wonder, is this the fall of an empire or something like the corruption of the late 1800s and early…
It's dangerous to extrapolate too much from the early 1900s because the US not being ground zero for two World Wars, therefore able to serve as an industrial core to help rebuild the destruction, created economic opportunity the likes of which one hopes we never see again. Lacking that destruction creating a huge market for American business, it's hard to predict what happens if America lets its domestic capitalism g…
> created economic opportunity the likes of which one hopes we never see again.
What?
Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security
#128Already we've got two top-level comments who think this article is about crime. It isn't. It's about corrupt police shaking down small business owners under threat of losing their business license. ETA: Please give the pedantry a rest. Of course I know police corruption is criminal. That's not what the people talking about "crime" are talking about.
The new mafia game's shaping up nicely.
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Re: Small business owners say they're pressured to hire off-duty cops for security
#129Vultures picking what away at parts of a corpse they can. You see so many examples of this, just straight parasitical behavior, in at least American society. I don’t think the U.S. is economically where the Soviet Union was when it fell, but it’s rapidly approaching the civic dysfunction and deep corruption. You have to wonder, is this the fall of an empire or something like the corruption of the late 1800s and early…
I don't think cops extorting marginalized people is new, sadly. I actually think cops making life hard for people of color is the tradition of cops in america, all the way back to the slave-catching days.
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
You understand that any visible intoxication is overserving a customer right? You could give most people a beer an hour or so and forget about bottle service. Mixed drinks would have to contain less than a shots worth. I'm on board but the nightclubs won't be.
Is it your contention that every establishment serving customers more than a beer an hour should require security on premises?
I'd be OK if they closed entirely, but barring that I demand they pay the costs of externalities they create. One method of doing so would be hiring private security. They should also have to carry a bond to pay out for any DUIs, violence, vandalism, domestic violence or sexual assault that they are a co-conspirator of.