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Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

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Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

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A good and measured article marred only by a silly, clickbait title. Unless there is a plan to allow attesters that are independent bodies then this is absolutely a threat to the open internet, or what's left of it. The biggest dead canary for me is the lack of calling this out explicitly by Google or Apple. We're left to assume that Google is hand-wavingly saying "don't worry we can take care of that" when the priva…

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Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

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Google haven't built enough trust to say "here's something we want to do that could have huge negative consequencies, but trust us".

They did. Then they lost it. You can't get that back.

What event are you referring to? Android? Chrome? Search?

Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

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The same engineers doing this in exchange for money, healthcare, etc to put food on their tables and provide for their families? Not everyone has the ability to act on said 'choice' and risk their jobs, income, benefits.

There's a difference between a struggling worker earning a low salary, with low prospects of finding a better position being asked to do unethical things on behalf of their employer, and a Google engineer earning multiple hundreds of thousands of dollars per year. I have refused to implement unethical code when I earned US$8.8k/year and supported my mother (living in Brazil, beginning of my career), I believe a Googl…

>Might need another job but c'mon, you have Google in your CV, jobs will come, stop being a greedy pig.

Anyone sick at home? Anyone with a visa? Any debt? Student loans? Kids?

You wouldn't just need any other job, you'd need another comparable job.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_handcuffs

Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

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If anyone does, it’s Google engineers. How much are they paid again? $100k? $200k? $300k? Seriously they have no agency here?

How much is the cost of living? Lifestyle creep? Do they have anyone at home sick and they're the only ones working while also living in a high cost of living area? It's not that easy.

Standing up for your principles is never easy when it counts the most. Usually it's going to cost something. Sometimes that's a fat salary and a cushy job.

Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

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I hate ads as much as anyone but providing a free service that runs ads and shares part of that income with content creators is hardly particularly evil.

People were quite ok with the ads when they were not as obnoxious as today. Apart from techies, few people would put the effort to block them. But these days, you want to watch a 2' video on YouTube you are subjected to 20-30" of unskippable ads. Discounting the privacy (and even security) concerns, this alone pushed a lot more people to start ad-blocking were they can.

Those short forms are for degrees, not time.

Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

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If anyone does, it’s Google engineers. How much are they paid again? $100k? $200k? $300k? Seriously they have no agency here?

How much is the cost of living? Lifestyle creep? Do they have anyone at home sick and they're the only ones working while also living in a high cost of living area? It's not that easy.

> Lifestyle creep?

"Im used to spending too much money so in order to not getting a minimal pay cut im gonna work on unethical proyects." Isthe kind of insane thinking only people at HN seem to say without flinching.

Like at that point do not work at google, write ransomware for a company in Russia, they will pay even more money. Make bio weapons for a dictator in a civil war afflicted country of the third world. If Life style creep and your new Tesla to drive your kids to the private school is the only thing keeping you in check, you might as well trade stocks against life expectancy based on obesity reports and climate change effects on coastal areas.

Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

#128

I hate to say it, but if you used Chrome to read this, then you're part of the problem. Awful stuff like this wouldn't stand a chance if Google didn't have such a near-monopoly position. For the sake of the open internet, please switch to a different browser. IMO, Firefox is best*, but even something chromium based is probably fine. Just not Google Chrome. * On desktop - Firefox is a bit weaker on Android, with an ex…

I'm honestly (as in putting in multiple hours) trying to switch to Firefox every 4 to 5 months. I tried at least 4 times. I do the dance of migrating bookmarks, passwords, layout preferences, add-ons, workflows, setting up sync, installing on all Android and desktop devices ... and then i run into issues, try to fix some of them, research, then give up and go back to chrome and don't think about it anymore until another article like this pops up on HN.

This time I won't be shamed into doing it again. I don't have the time or motivation.

edit: forgot to mention explicitly, it's not Firefox, it's me. I'm not strong enough.

Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

#129
Google is checking through Opinion Rewards whether users can watch a certain advertisement video. On Android I'm using the Adguard DNS and their ad video wouldn't load twice. This occurred last week and fits this article to a tee.

I'm sure I'll get a new advertisement video soon which will load despite my Adguard DNS. That's how Google can confirm whether their ad-blocking-blocking works.

Opinion Rewards is great not just for being able to get apps for 'free', but also to be one of the first to see what Google is researching.

Re: Google engineers want to make ad-blocking (near) impossible

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I hate to say it, but if you used Chrome to read this, then you're part of the problem. Awful stuff like this wouldn't stand a chance if Google didn't have such a near-monopoly position. For the sake of the open internet, please switch to a different browser. IMO, Firefox is best*, but even something chromium based is probably fine. Just not Google Chrome. * On desktop - Firefox is a bit weaker on Android, with an ex…

Even if you don't care about all that, Firefox is the faster browser. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36770883

On a very niche set of tests, sure.
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