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The EU’s fight for user-replaceable smartphone batteries

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Re: The EU’s fight for user-replaceable smartphone batteries

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I hope there is a provision in there for laptops as well. All this glued in shit is just another plank in the planned obsolescence strategy.

That's actually in the article :) one of the two laws covers all devices with ~~batteries~~ portable batteries.

Also Airpods?

Re: The EU’s fight for user-replaceable smartphone batteries

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It is interesting that the EU only wants to regulate markets that they are not participating in. They don't make smartphone anymore so any regulations isn't hurting them. It would be admirable if they held the same standard for vehicles, including brands from the EU.

> It is interesting that the EU only wants to regulate markets that they are not participating in. The EU only regulates markets they are participating in. The only country that regulates markets that they do not participate in is the United States, and for the most part they seem to be doing so for fairly good reasons (such as with the anti money laundering and anti terrorism financing laws). Though of course you ar…

> It is interesting that the EU only wants to regulate markets that they are not participating in.

It's great! Exactly because there is no conflict of interest.

(From another viewpoint, they have ASML which is crucial for the creation of these products so let's not pretend they are only on the consumer side of things)

Re: The EU’s fight for user-replaceable smartphone batteries

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> But basically I think phones have now reached a place like laptops and desktops where HW capabilities are stable, and there's no good reason for devices to be obsolete in 5 years any more. Unless you care about your phone working as a phone. 2G was discontinued years ago, 3G is rapidly being dropped by the carriers and how much longer before 4G is discontinued? > streamlining the Android update process? (To Google'…

3G is alive and well in IoT.

All of the US carriers are shutting down 3G.

https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/the-3g-shutdown-how-will-it-aff....

Re: The EU’s fight for user-replaceable smartphone batteries

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I don’t know. I already have to click cookie buttons on every goddamn web site I visit, it’s annoying as hell. These EU initiatives can be a bit pointless. Battery needs to be replaced like once every 2-3 years. Why change the device design to make battery user-replaceable when I can bring it to the repair shop?

Because most people won't: - it's expensive - it takes their phone away If changing the battery is a one hour cheap deal, a lot more people may do it. And I am very happy about those EU initiatives: this way I know what sites are tracking me and how much. This tells me which sites values annoying me with their banner so they can sell my data. Have you noticed there is no banner on Hacker news despite the fact that: -…

> Because most people won't:

> - it's expensive

> - it takes their phone away

Ok, people don’t go to shops to replace battery now? “oh, it’s 99$ to replace the battery? I’d rather pay 1000$ for a new iPhone!” That’s a bit silly.

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I’d hate to lose waterproof feature on iPhone. For it’ll be dealbreaker.

Submarines are not glued tight, yet they are waterproof. Much bigger deal for Apple is design. Exposed screws sealing the back cover would give Jony Ive OCD ticks, I'm sure

Thankfully, Jony Ive is gone. Though their design has only gotten marginally more practical since.

Re: The EU’s fight for user-replaceable smartphone batteries

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Yes. But you don't expect everyone to do that, when you think about safety. You assume the worst, not the best.

If we can’t expect people to be safe with accessing batteries we should make the batteries less accessible, not more accessible.

People know not to puncture a battery. But if you set it up to force them to apply force to a battery, some batteries are going to get punctured.

Which is the exact point of this law: the batteries should be designed to be easily replaceable.

Re: The EU’s fight for user-replaceable smartphone batteries

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

3G is alive and well in IoT.

All of the US carriers are shutting down 3G. https://www.pcmag.com/how-to/the-3g-shutdown-how-will-it-aff... .

What I implied was it might not be a big thing for smartphones, but there are a lot of IoT devices out there that will fail the 3G sunset.

Re: The EU’s fight for user-replaceable smartphone batteries

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I think this is fantastic news. It will be interesting to see how it affects the amount of phones that get discarded. I think the next bottleneck is likely to be software longevity. This has improved a lot lately! But basically I think phones have now reached a place like laptops and desktops where HW capabilities are stable, and there's no good reason for devices to be obsolete in 5 years any more. I wonder if regul…

The second proposed legislation from the article seems to require that at least 5 years of updates must be provided after the device was last sold. This is far more than many low-end and mid-range Android phones, moreover many Android phone manufacturers start counting after the device was released, not last sold. Interestingly, they also seem to put upper bounds on how quickly these updates should be rolled out. Eg.…

It would be interesting if a side effect of this proposed legislation, Android manufacturers stop pumping out new models as aggressively. It would make sense if that's how it turned out, because these manufacturers would effectively be crafting their own support nightmares by continuing to put out new models at a high cadence.

This in turn should make for better parts availability since the window that any given model is manufactured in is wider. It'd also incentivize sharing parts between models where possible.

All in all, positive for the end consumer. It might've been a problem in the earlier days of smartphones, but the category has more or less plateaued by now and so the benefit of high model churn with each new model sharing little with its predecessor is dubious at best.

Re: The EU’s fight for user-replaceable smartphone batteries

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I think this is fantastic news. It will be interesting to see how it affects the amount of phones that get discarded. I think the next bottleneck is likely to be software longevity. This has improved a lot lately! But basically I think phones have now reached a place like laptops and desktops where HW capabilities are stable, and there's no good reason for devices to be obsolete in 5 years any more. I wonder if regul…

In my experience, the current bottleneck with (Android) phones is that the get very slow without any apparent reasons after a few years. I've had multiple reports of acquaintances complaining about their phones getting slow after a few years, and I've always assumed that they were just full of apps... until it happened to me. I can't find an unambiguois explanation; my guess is a mix of CPUs deteriorating over time d…

Android seems to suffer from a phenomenon similar to "Windows creep" where performance decays over time for no reason in particular, even for users who are good stewards of their devices. It's more of an issue for some devices than it is for others for reasons that are unclear.
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