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Apple could force a 111-year-old fruit company to change its Apple logo

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Re: Apple could force a 111-year-old fruit company to change its Apple logo

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There's more info here, including an image of the pre 2011 logo: https://appleinsider.com/articles/23/06/19/apple-wants-to-co...

Right? All the comments here are mocking Apple for trying to own all depictions of a fruit, or make it seem like the other company had been happily using the logo for a century, but no, Apple is just trying to say they can’t use the logo they switched to in 2011 which was clearly based on the Apple logo.

Re: Apple could force a 111-year-old fruit company to change its Apple logo

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You mean the newer logo should be changed - I don't think the fruit company has had the same logo for 111 years.

Neither did Apple Inc.; the current flat one is from 2017.

This is incorrect. Old company logos don't lose their trademark. This logos shape dates back to 1977.

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The Beatles extorted Apple Computer, twice, for their trademark.

Because Steve took the name off a Beatles Album. It wasn't extortion

Took the name from the Beatles [edited thanks to pdpi] corporation, with its own trademarks.

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When it comes to discussing intellectual property laws, it's important to remember where they came from. I live in High Wycombe, a market town in the South East of England. In the nineteenth century, Wycombe was known as the centre of chair manufacturing. The chairs were initially transported by barge down the Wye and Thames Rivers to Windsor, where they were sold, and consequently became known as Windsor chairs. The…

So you're saying trademarks prevent arson and violence.

According to the economist Hernando de Soto Polar, not just trademarks but all property is like that unless you have a formal ownership system which is defended by the legal system. If people can't rely on the legal system to defend their property, as sometimes happens in third world countries, they have to spend significant effort cultivating their neighbours - if your neighbours think you are a worthless arsehole, you might find that someone else has moved onto your farm and your no-one will do anything about it. But if your neighbours like you, they will fight alongside you for your rights over it.

Re: Apple could force a 111-year-old fruit company to change its Apple logo

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When it comes to discussing intellectual property laws, it's important to remember where they came from. I live in High Wycombe, a market town in the South East of England. In the nineteenth century, Wycombe was known as the centre of chair manufacturing. The chairs were initially transported by barge down the Wye and Thames Rivers to Windsor, where they were sold, and consequently became known as Windsor chairs. The…

...and then "3rd-world" 19th century Germany came along, and with its cheap workforce and by ignoring British trademarks and copyrights flooded the market with cheaper copies of superior quality, and that's how "Made in Germany" was born ;)

Re: Apple could force a 111-year-old fruit company to change its Apple logo

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This title is clickbait. If you read the article, it’s pretty clear that Apple has taken no action against the fruit company and there’s no reason to think they will, or that they’d even be able to if granted the trademarks requested. It also seems as if they’re trying to retain rights to use the whole apple for specific products. From the source: “ Apple's attempts to secure the trademark in Switzerland go as far ba…

On one hand yeah this makes sense and is editorialised.

On the other hand… Apple is now a behemoth that does fitness programs, have their TV service, now enter into banking.

What if there is a TV program about apples? What if the fruit union ventures into financing? But yeah that’s all a different problem than “Apple is forcing a fruit company to change its logo”

Re: Apple could force a 111-year-old fruit company to change its Apple logo

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When people say something like "Apple wants", they seem to personify a company. In the end, there are some lawyers and middle managers that push for something to happen. These are not the CEO, but rather the corporate bureaucrats that exist for the sole purpose of expanding the reach of their master.

The bureaucrats only stop when public opinion/regulators force the executives to step in and issue a directive to stop the nonsense.

If any Apple executive is listening, please stop the nonsense, it's only hurting your brand.

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It’s not entirely a myth, see a list of trademarks that have been “lost” due to insufficient protection or other reasons here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_generic_and_generici... There are definitely examples where brandnames have moved into common usage and then lose their trademark.

I can't recall seeing trademark aggression that had anything to do with genericism though. Some marketing copy maybe but not as challenges to other company's marks. Genericism is within the user/audience/market rather than other businesses. The cause of genericism is total cultural domination - such widespread success that it becomes the noun. I wonder how close "iPhone" and "iPad" might be to genericide. Is there a…

I mean, yeah, because they probably know what an iPad is and can infer what you meant. That just means the brand name is recognized, not that it’s generic. If you put a Coke on the table and asked the subject to pass the Pepsi (or vice versa) it would probably work too.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not entirely a myth, see a list of trademarks that have been “lost” due to insufficient protection or other reasons here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_generic_and_generici... There are definitely examples where brandnames have moved into common usage and then lose their trademark.

I can't recall seeing trademark aggression that had anything to do with genericism though. Some marketing copy maybe but not as challenges to other company's marks. Genericism is within the user/audience/market rather than other businesses. The cause of genericism is total cultural domination - such widespread success that it becomes the noun. I wonder how close "iPhone" and "iPad" might be to genericide. Is there a…

Well if another competitor starts using your protected term and you don’t protect it, it is more likely to become generic.

(Ie if Apple does not protect the word iPhone and then Google and Samsung use the term iPhone for 5 years unchallenged, it risks becoming a generic name for a smartphone)

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