> “By contrast, every demo that they showed was a person sitting on a couch by themself,” he said of Apple’s WWDC keynote earlier this week.
Odd thing for him to say since he is describing the strange solitariness of all VR.
Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
#122Pricing the headset at 7x the Quest seems like an Apple power move. Ordinarily if you’re 2nd or 3rd to a category you’d expect there to be pressure to price in the same ballpark. You want customers to compare but say the new product is worth spending a reasonable amount more than the old product because it has some bells and whistles. At $3500 Apple invites no comparison. They’re basically pretending Meta doesn’t exi…
The Quest 2 is $299 now. You can buy a dozen of them for one Apple device.
It is indeed a different category. The control paradigm is different and the Quest’s popular apps are games and fitness. It’s a bit like comparing a Mac Studio to a Nintendo Switch.
Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
#123I use the Quest Pro right now, because my interest in spatial computing (I like Apple's new term so trying to use it, haha) is greater than my misgivings about Meta (even though those are significant). I will buy the Apple thing, too. There are a lot of interesting differences between them (obviously, the biggest one being the price, and deriving from that) but the one I find interesting is Apple's decision not to ha…
I would strongly recommend looking at the results people are achieving with Apple’s game porting toolkit just days after it was released. With the hardware that the vision pro is supposed to have, I seriously think it will be the best gaming headset on the market if the final product ends up living up to what was announced.
Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
On the flipside, it gives Meta a blueprint for disrupting the market. They're well-poised up to release a "Quest Pro Max" of sorts - keep the Quest form factor, but go all-in on eye tracking and screen tech. Price it at $3,000 and include a nice aluminum stand for kicks and giggles. The Hololens was a "power move" headset that had to repeatedly re-adjust its target market because the price was too high. Apple could e…
Apple filed 5000 patents. Meta can’t even figure out where the field is now.
I hardly believe that with all headstart that oculus/mega had they don’t have enough patents to ensure mutually assured destruction
Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
On the flipside, it gives Meta a blueprint for disrupting the market. They're well-poised up to release a "Quest Pro Max" of sorts - keep the Quest form factor, but go all-in on eye tracking and screen tech. Price it at $3,000 and include a nice aluminum stand for kicks and giggles. The Hololens was a "power move" headset that had to repeatedly re-adjust its target market because the price was too high. Apple could e…
Apple filed 5000 patents. Meta can’t even figure out where the field is now.
This is exactly what Jobs claimed about the iPhone in 2007 and it didn’t stop Android from absorbing every relevant innovation.
Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
#126I use the Quest Pro right now, because my interest in spatial computing (I like Apple's new term so trying to use it, haha) is greater than my misgivings about Meta (even though those are significant). I will buy the Apple thing, too. There are a lot of interesting differences between them (obviously, the biggest one being the price, and deriving from that) but the one I find interesting is Apple's decision not to ha…
To be fair, the Apple stylus is considered an art and creative _accessory_, not the predominant way of interacting with the system.
Totally true, and I suspect that the same will hold true for Vision OS — controllers will always be optional (even when Apple has "the world's most advanced spatial controller" to sell us for $999/pair).
Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
> We've seen this story before and it hasn't ended well for the folks in Mark's position. Is Microsoft today in a fundamentally problematic position ? Apple has the spotlight and a higher evaluation, but I'm not sure Google or Microsoft "haven't ended well". > A personal device like these headsets needs to be delightful. The number of people willing to pay for "delightful" is pretty small though. Even as today, the i…
> Is Microsoft today in a fundamentally problematic position ? I mean… pretty obviously yes? Windows is rotting on the vine, Azure is nowhere near the market share of other players, and while they still have a large installed base of users they’ve done nothing particularly noteworthy in like a decade at this point. If there’s anyone on the path to being the next IBM it’s them.
Azure ($75.3B in 2022 revenue) is only slightly smaller than AWS ($80B). It’s GCP ($26.28B) that’s way behind. Microsoft has always known how to sell through its channels.
Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
#128I use the Quest Pro right now, because my interest in spatial computing (I like Apple's new term so trying to use it, haha) is greater than my misgivings about Meta (even though those are significant). I will buy the Apple thing, too. There are a lot of interesting differences between them (obviously, the biggest one being the price, and deriving from that) but the one I find interesting is Apple's decision not to ha…
To a first approximation, nobody uses the Apple Pencil as a primary input device on an Apple device.
Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset
#129I use the Quest Pro right now, because my interest in spatial computing (I like Apple's new term so trying to use it, haha) is greater than my misgivings about Meta (even though those are significant). I will buy the Apple thing, too. There are a lot of interesting differences between them (obviously, the biggest one being the price, and deriving from that) but the one I find interesting is Apple's decision not to ha…
By all accounts, the Vision Pro eye tracking is extremely good, so for pointing inputs it would probably beat hardware controllers on speed and precision metrics, as well as feeling more direct and natural.