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This "whataboutism" is perfectly valid, because it highlights double standards. Whataboutism isn't a blanket logical fallacy, it's applicable in certain scenarios.
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The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open
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It could indeed be either side . You sound like the avarage raged redditor. Calm down and wait till we see real facts before making assumptions.
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#123A propaganda war where nobody anything says can be believed about anything anyone says and the video from both sides is AI-manipulated and only 'embedded' reporting is allowed and then only from 'yellow' zones. Rather sad, isn't it, the extent to which manipulative propaganda has become the daily fare?
What's sad is enforcing the idea that all sides use propaganda, so therefore they're all equally believable.
> all sides use propaganda
All sides do use propaganda, but the idea that Western media is equal to Russian media in how much they lie in this war is definitely a ridiculous take.
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#124Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/nova-kakhovka-dam-khers... Simulation of worst-case scenarios: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tRYWbVD5AE The Russian State News agency claims that the dam "collapsed due to damage" https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/166592960325106892... Ukraine says it was destroyed by the Russian military. Google maps: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kakhovka+Hydroelectric+Po…
“Collapsed due to damage“. Looks pretty clearly like an explosion.
Russian state news agency. The fine folks that bring news reports like “local nerd found hitting himself by school bully”
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#125The effect/kinetic energy of the water involved would be comparable to that released by a nuclear explosion. Total madness. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/06/nova-kakhovka-... "The reservoir it contains holds an estimated 18 cubic kilometres of water, about the same volume as the Great Salt Lake in Utah. Bursting the dam could send a wall of water flooding settlements below it, including Kherson, which Uk…
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> You can be an achieved software developer, civil engineer or doctor - doesn't mean you're not an idiot. Whatever you are doesn't make you some genius either. We're all just people. Trying to understand an incredibly complicated situation doesn't make someone stupid.
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If you're trying to convince people than there's a moral case against Russia and for Ukraine, then sure. If you're trying to convince people of specific operations then you do have to get down into the details.
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I'm not talking about the 2014 "election" that happened after the Crimea invasion. I'm talking about before all that. The 2014 coup openly supported by US and Europe that overthrew Ukraine's pro-Russian elected President. These things aren't propaganda, they are events that happened. Do you honestly believe that coup was totally organic and the US had no hand in that one (just others)? There is precedent for the US m…
"In November 2013, a series of events started that led to his ousting as president.[10][11][12] Amid economic pressure from Russia,[13] Yanukovych retracted plans to sign an association agreement with the EU, instead choosing to accept a Russian trade deal and loan bailout. This sparked large protests by supporters of European integration, who held a wave of protests dubbed the "Euromaidan" and were met with violent…
If anything the above quote points the "meddling" being done by russia and not the US/West. So they made it happen and when it went wrong they obv point to others. This is so classic. That some fools still fall for it is the amazing part.
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> Meanwhile you're sitting in your comfy chairs asking for 'credible sources' and wondering which side this benefits more. But it's precisely because we're sitting in a comfy chair that we have to ask for credible sources. "Fog of War" is a real thing and disinformation campaigns have been integral to this war. Most people here couldn't pinpoint this dam on a map and it's not immediately obvious that this isn't some…
The fact that the victim is not credible to you is already appaling.
Have you considered that the Ukrainian armed forces may have made a mistake? Accidentally shelling the damn setting of Russian explosives? Just because Ukraine is the victim doesn't mean they know more what happened there then we do. Again, fog of war is a real thing.
It will take several days until people outside the Ukrainian and Russian government can have any idea what really happened. But to paint me as a Russian sympathizer because I don't know for sure what happened in a warzone hours after reports started coming out is just incredibly stupid.
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You can be an achieved software developer, civil engineer or doctor - doesn't mean you're not an idiot. Whatever you are doesn't make you some genius either. We're all just people. Trying to understand an incredibly complicated situation doesn't make someone stupid.
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I'm sorry if you're confused but we're discussing a specific thing which occurred in a war zone, not the war itself. It's certainly complicated.
Also, for what it's worth, calling people idiots will never help you. You should probably stop doing that.