Ad is bad not because Ad is bad.
It's because of "companies who tried to use ad to spam" is bad. Not all, but most. Mostly to the point of scam tricks.
For a company to deliver their ad, needs some kind of verification though.
We will be shutting down neeva.com
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Kagi is great. Please have a look at perplexity.ai and get inspired. We need more good options available
I see some people are downvoting my comment because it is suggesting an option that uses AI I'm not biased, i neither like or dislike AI or any other tech. Perplexity seems to use gpt-3 under the hood but i couldn't care less about that. What i care about is that it allows me to dig into and learn new subjects in a way that was not possible before. It's so much better than google, ddg etc that i do most of my "diggin…
We already have an experiment called FastGPT:
Also we have a ton of AI features in Kagi, they are just not 'in your face' but we have an AI integration philosophy that we are sticking to:
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#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let me have a stab at this: We will be at the end of the AI hype cycle we are currently in. Majority of AI/search startups that exist today will no longer be around, failing to find a viable business model that has a hope of profitability, as stuffing ads inside will put them in direct trajectory of Google/Microsoft's insane resources. Google and Microsoft situation will be much better defined. One of these companies…
Sorry this is totally unsubstantiated fantasy. You’re not even wrong. I don’t know how to point that out here
I accept that, I am not trying to predict the future, but to create it with my work. How do you see search develop in two to five years?
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#124I really wanted to love Neeva, and became a paid subscriber as soon as I heard about it (a couple of months ago). Tried it for a few days and then gave up and cancelled my subscription. The product was simply really bad - search results were significantly worse than other (freely available, ad supported) search engines, the AI was very limited, and the personal search features were broken, authentication was broken and their support didn't even commit to fixing it in the future. In retrospect, I think Neeva had a cool mission, but the problem wasn't, or wasn't only, that they couldn't convince users to give them a try, but that even once they did convince users to give it a try the product was just not there.
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#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
Let me have a stab at this: We will be at the end of the AI hype cycle we are currently in. Majority of AI/search startups that exist today will no longer be around, failing to find a viable business model that has a hope of profitability, as stuffing ads inside will put them in direct trajectory of Google/Microsoft's insane resources. Google and Microsoft situation will be much better defined. One of these companies…
Thank you for your detailed response. It's illuminating. That being said, isn't this mostly speculative? Time after time, we have seen majority of people choose ads over subscription. The only successful digital subscription models have been for streaming (netflix etc), ecommerce (amazon etc); basically things that have never been ads-supported. I have never seen a service/industry move from ads to subscription. Peop…
>> The only successful digital subscription models have been for streaming (netflix etc), ecommerce (amazon etc); basically things that have never been ads-supported.
Even they are moving towards ad now.
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#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry this is totally unsubstantiated fantasy. You’re not even wrong. I don’t know how to point that out here
I accept that, I am not trying to predict the future, but to create it with my work. How do you see search develop in two to five years?
Google but allowing incremental queries. Incremental!= conversational a la ChatGPT. So I can tell Google to ignore an interpretation of my query so I can drill down to the exact thing. I don’t like writing full sentences or questions to ChatGPT especially when it doesn’t have auto complete.
Generative content sprinkled here and there but majority of results still being genuine human created content.
I don’t see MSFT being a player here. Their ML talent is shallow, their search team is tiny compared to Google and a partnership with a startup won’t change that
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The signal to noise ratio in this comment is pretty low haha. The only relevant information here is a.) the headline - "Snowflake in Talks to Buy Search Startup Neeva in AI Push" b.) that you're not sure how reputable the site is. Instead, you have included several details about how you were reading some other article, leading you to think they are reputable. Then reading (the same? another?) article about a colleagu…
If we’re talking about signal to noise, comments that do nothing but critique prose don’t help matters. But if it’s that important to you to be a bit rude to someone you think doesn’t write well, be my guest.
Mostly my intent to clear confusion for other users. Certainly not making any judgements, there’s a variety of reasons one would write this way and the link referenced is indeed useful (you just wouldn’t know it until you clicked on it).
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#128I am sorry this happened to Neeva. My much less known search engine costs me little $ + my time. This makes a huge difference vs VC funded ideas that need runway and hype to IPO. And nowadays hype is in high supply. It almost feels like people are experiencing hype overdose
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Ughh, please don’t. The last thing I want in my search engine is AI, especially for a “privacy focused” one like Kagi. Paying to have all my search queries get routed through ChatGPT (and effectively used as training data) is absolutely not what I want. I suspect it’s too late though, Kagi has already drank the AI koolaid.
Your search queries on Kagi are paired with your credit card, so if that doesn't bother you, ChatGTP shouldn't either.
I'm wondering why this doesn't seem to bother anyone. I always use a browser profile that's not signed into anything when searching, whether that's for work or personal. I know this does not guarantee privacy, but why make it easy for them?
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#130I'm in the target audience. I know what a search engine is. I know how to change my default search engine in all of my browsers, which I know are distinct from search engines. I care about privacy enough that I default to DuckDuckGo, not Google. It would take some convincing, but I'm neither opposed nor unable to pay for a better search engine. I read HN somewhat regularly. This is the first time I've heard of Neeva.
Distribution is blocked by big tech and even mentioning what you are working on will get you perma banned from most subreddits because of "spam"
In fact, HN is a rara avis in that it allows "Show HN" posts