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MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by snovv_crash »

3np wrote: post #9
dustedcodes wrote: post #6

I have no skin in the game, but even I am starting to think the obvious thing here: Apple and Google own the entire mobile OS market. They could literally destroy Microsoft if they started to hugely degrade the experience of Microsoft products on iOS and Android with dark patterns a la Microsoft. But they don't. So far they were competing by making their own products better. Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile…

Not to give Microsoft an out here but really? The equivalent for this on iOS or Android would be allowing opening links in a different browser and web view engine. The equivalent Microsoft apps on mobile OSs aren't degraded - they aren't even allowed to exist in the first place. Microsoft is bringing the desktop experience in line with mobile here. Doesn't make it less terrible but contrasting Apple and Google as bet…

On Android I can install Firefox and have all browser activities forwarded there, even from GMail, and even for opening YouTube links.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by Forge36 »

e12e wrote: post #120

This is an expected normalization of html email and the mostly-client-side-apps; Outlook (the desktop app) already renders the html email in a MS rendering engine (Edge? I don't know). If the email has a button (or a link) - i think it makes sense that the click event shows up "in" the mail client. I hate html email - but the last 20 years have been all about siloing hypertext apps in email systems - proprietary prot…

Outlook renders the HTML in word. (It's a custom rendering engine)

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by pjmlp »

dustedcodes wrote: post #6

I have no skin in the game, but even I am starting to think the obvious thing here: Apple and Google own the entire mobile OS market. They could literally destroy Microsoft if they started to hugely degrade the experience of Microsoft products on iOS and Android with dark patterns a la Microsoft. But they don't. So far they were competing by making their own products better. Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile…

They surely do, one of the reasons why Windows Phone failed to gain adoption was how Google blocked access to their apps from Windows Phone.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by pjmlp »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #109
datadeft wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Microsoft needs to think hard how hostile they want to be to its competitors The last 30 years of MS shows that they are not interested in the non-hostile approach Few things: - Microsoft Java Virtual Machine scandal - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Cor... .

The precursor to .NET being born. :)

.NET events, P/Invoke and Forms were born as J++ events, J/Direct and WFC.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Application_Foundation_Classes

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_J%2B%2B#The_WFC

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by tehbeard »

chakintosh wrote: post #3

Microsoft is shoving their software down people's throats with impunity. Just yesterday I had to install VS Code for a Homebridge integration, and out of nowhere they slapped a Bing search bar bang in the middle of the desktop.

The bing search bar is from an Edge update via windows updates as I understand.

Still unjustifiable, along with the mess they made of changing default apps/browsers in Win 11.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by can16358p »

The more childish MSFT plays, the more I love remembering ditching almost anything from Microsoft and never recommending anything Microsoft (other than Vscode) to anyone ever again.

The more they act bizzare like this, the more they deserve to lose it all.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by aqme28 »

username3 wrote: post #117

Is everyone misreading the article? The new policy is to ignore your default browser from Outlook and Teams and open Edge. There is an option to turn off this policy to use your default browser. > Microsoft 365 Enterprise IT admins will be able to alter the policy, but those on Microsoft 365 for business will have to manage this change on individual machines.

> There is an option to turn off this policy to use your default browser.

They should add a new option to ignore this one that is also turned on by default. Default overrides all the way down.

Re: MSFT is forcing Outlook and Teams to open links in Edge and IT admins are angry

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Post by roydivision »

jarym wrote: post #108

IT admins have only themselves to blame for choosing Teams in the first place. Yes, it is included in O365 and it makes it a no-brainer as far as additional costs and things go. But then there's the risk that Microsoft leverage their captive and lazy market to foist other undesirable things on users... like this. And crappy news / adverts in Windows 11's 'start menu' replacement. Ready to get voted down on this, but…

In my experience, in any company larger than 500 people at least, the IT admin has little say in the matter. These sorts of decisions are taken higher up, and the admin just has to live with it.
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