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New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by killdozer »

AbrahamParangi wrote: post #73
ProAm wrote: post #48

So in Arkansas you are allowed to go work at age 13 without parental consent but not allowed to use social media? Got it. [1] https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/08/politics/sarah-huckabee-sande...

That seems completely coherent to me. Getting a job as a teen is good for you. It teaches delayed gratification, working with others, responsibility and it provides a measure of independence early. Social media, on the other hand, will make teens depressed. The association of social media => teen depression is ~5x stronger than cigarettes => lung cancer, which is a completely unfair comparison for cigarettes because…

The children yearn for the mines.

Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by nverno »

astura wrote: post #120
nverno wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I started working at that age too, but certainly didn't need an ID to get a job (and never have at any point in my life, afaicr - and I've never even heard of 'working papers'). Are you talking about in the states? Cause for jobs (at least those that aren't under the table) I've only ever needed a social security number.

Everyone who works in the united states must fill out form I-9 to prove your eligibility for employment. https://www.uscis.gov/i-9 Report card/school records is an option for children who don't have an ID. So ID doesn't appear to be strictly needed until one turns 18. Working papers are permission to work as a minor - https://dol.ny.gov/working-papers this site says you get them from your school now. Back in the day…

Huh, I don't remember needing to get working papers, but I vaguely recall needing a parent signature - I was also pretty rural tho, so you kinda know most people around anyway. Presumably, social security card/birth certificate would be enough as well.

Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by AbrahamParangi »

killdozer wrote: post #121
AbrahamParangi wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That seems completely coherent to me. Getting a job as a teen is good for you. It teaches delayed gratification, working with others, responsibility and it provides a measure of independence early. Social media, on the other hand, will make teens depressed. The association of social media => teen depression is ~5x stronger than cigarettes => lung cancer, which is a completely unfair comparison for cigarettes because…

The children yearn for the mines.

Not everything that is unpleasant is bad for you.

Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by jjeaff »

nverno wrote: post #42
vhold wrote: post #33

I think people may be overlooking a bigger story here: https://www.arkleg.state.ar.us/Bills/FTPDocument?path=%2FBil... Reasonable age verification methods under subdivision (c)(1) of this section include providing: (A) A digitized identification card, including a digital copy of a driver's license under § 27-16-601 et seq.; (B) Government-issued identification; or (C) Any commercially reasonable age verification meth…

Yea that's BS. I didn't have any ID till I was 16 and got a driver's license. A lot of kids, like city kids, don't get one till years later. Are they planning to create a new type of ID for children? I wouldn't want my kids anywhere near social media either, but I wouldn't want to rely on the state to track and police their behaviour.

I don't see any reason they would need to create an id for children because the purpose of this law is to block all children under the age of 18 from using certain social media. You would only need an ID to prove that you are 18 or older.

Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by jjeaff »

politician wrote: post #83
rootusrootus wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Where did you get that it has to be a driver's license? Just get a regular ID card if you don't need to be able to drive.

Two of the three options are driving licenses. It’s obnoxious that the third option is administered through the DMV. I’ve never understood why personal identification falls under that department. An affidavit with a notary’s seal should have been sufficient. So, yes, you’re technically correct, but no, no one is bringing their kids to the DMV for photo ids and not driver’s licenses.

At least in the case of this law, your kids don't need an ID. They can't use the social media until adulthood.

Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by jjeaff »

prakhar897 wrote: post #78

Nice, Another MOAT added to social media platforms. Big platforms like Facebook can spend a lot of money complying with the "law" whereas the startups disrupting it will die.

It appears to exempt you if your gross revenue is less than $100m. So no Twitter but you can use Truth Social and Gab.

Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by jjeaff »

AbrahamParangi wrote: post #73
ProAm wrote: post #48

So in Arkansas you are allowed to go work at age 13 without parental consent but not allowed to use social media? Got it. [1] https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/08/politics/sarah-huckabee-sande...

That seems completely coherent to me. Getting a job as a teen is good for you. It teaches delayed gratification, working with others, responsibility and it provides a measure of independence early. Social media, on the other hand, will make teens depressed. The association of social media => teen depression is ~5x stronger than cigarettes => lung cancer, which is a completely unfair comparison for cigarettes because…

I think you are imagining some suburban kid getting a job at the local burger joint serving up burgers with a smile. Few 13 year olds are suited for service of office work.

You must view this in the context of the fact that Tyson, a fortune 100 company headquartered in Arkansas just got sanctioned for having underage child laborers working in their meat packing plants. If you have ever been in a meat plant, you would know that a child should never have to work in that environment. It is dangerous and unhealthy and not a suitable place for adults to work, much less a child.

Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by jjeaff »

AbrahamParangi wrote: post #123
killdozer wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The children yearn for the mines.

Not everything that is unpleasant is bad for you.

Mines definitely are both unpleasant and bad for you. And as I mentioned in my comment above, so are meat packing plants.

Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by jjeaff »

Miner49er wrote: post #98
flangola7 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Kids should absolutely not be working until at least 18. It is not good for them at all. That's time that should be used for education, not throwing them into the meat grinder early.

What better education can a kid get in the summer then from a job?

Depends on the job.

Re: New Arkansas bill to keep minors off social media exempts most social platforms

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Post by dragonwriter »

Mezzie wrote: post #112
akersten wrote: post #70

I'm baffled by the general lack of absolute outrage around these recent bills requiring government issued ID to use the internet. Most of the comments here are discussing irrelevant nuances like "oh, well it seems to only apply to platforms above a certain size," while ignoring the atrocity that these bills represent for the freedoms and privacy that we've all taken for granted up until now. Get your bloody hands off…

Also nobody has thought about what the implementation will mean. I was 12 when COPPA went into effect and all the companies just deleted all my accounts: Email account, hosting, chat accounts, etc. It was easier than dealing with the logistics of getting parental permission (which I could have gotten, I started programming when I was 5 and both my parents were hacker types; I was supervised just fine). Which is that…

> I was 12 when COPPA went into effect and all the companies just deleted all my accounts: Email account, hosting, chat accounts, etc. It was easier than dealing with the logistics of getting parental permission.

COPPA doesn't just require permission under 13, it imposes kinds of other requirements and prohibiting users under 13 is a way of avoiding thosr requirements.

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