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Joe Rogan Issues Warning After AI-Generated Version of His Podcast Surfaces

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Re: Joe Rogan Issues Warning After AI-Generated Version of His Podcast Surfaces

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You mean like China's social credit system? Sounds dystopian

Ideally not centralized, and only for signing creative digital content made for distribution. Not for signing (and potential blocking/tracking) financial transactions.

Power has a tendency to coagulate.

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I hope that we can reach a point where "trusted internet" becomes more popular . Trusted internet where you are dealing with identities (people) you know. And every hyperscale apps has a toggle to switch from noisy place to a familiar place.

I don't know if anyone remembers this detail of the book Ender's Game , but this is exactly how their "internet" was setup. Trusted networks where you had to identify yourself, and public networks where you could be anonymous. When I first read it, it really impacted me and I knew this is the likely future of our internet.

Wasn't that the present of the internet back in 1985? Private networks where you were an authenticated user, and public BBSes or USENET where you could be anonymous?

Re: Joe Rogan Issues Warning After AI-Generated Version of His Podcast Surfaces

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There is a need for a solution to this problem -- something like public / private key encryption or "more advanced social security" number to verify authenticity of a source via digital signature. There is a business to be made there.

AI researchers and companies need to starting asking themselves: just because we can does it mean we should? The societal implications and risks of this technology are enormous. This could lead to an erosion of publc trust in audio and video evidence. Imagine someone creating something that gives dangerous medical advice using Fauci's likeness? Or giving the worst politicians an excuse to say that something they actu…

It's kinda way too late. The ramifications for society are going to be massive and probably pretty bad overall, not even counting the existential risk which is what I think is really going to do us in. I think there may be a path to not everyone dying, but it depends on the right people in government getting the message and taking drastic action a-la Yudkowsky's plan https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/oM9pEezyCb4dCsuKq/pausing-ai...

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I think we're going to need some sort of 'real human' proof system where when you record any audio or video you publish the media hash, n-second segment hashes, and signed participants to a ledger/blockchain. You could also build a tamper-proof device that you place in frame that uses a combination of a hard to get-at private hardware key and the local ambiance to produce a signature you encode a as a subtle signal t…

Oh no, your hardware key was destroyed in a fire, you don't exist any more.

There will be those who exist within the system, and those who live in the shadows of the system. And occasionally, when the system fails, people will fall into the shadows. Depending on how incorruptible the system thinks it is, it will be impossible to climb into the light once more.

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Personally I love this new AI voice content booms. My favorite is the AI presidents discussing/playing/rating stuff [1], Attenborough narrating warhammer [2]. While slightly silly, I think in future people might start to take internet way less serious when you can literally make things up. Which I think is a good trend. People getting depressed or so consumed by the internet culture that they loose all interest in th…

Absolutely. This trend has put me on track for a sort of internet retreat. I can’t know if anything I’m reading or hearing is real suddenly. Previously I could be critical of it and consider sources and try to be rational, but at this point it seems reckless to be immersed in this environment. Even in terms of work, I’m suddenly put off by purely digital things. I want to interface with the real world, hardware, buil…

By "internet retreat" I initially thought, "I'm going to sit in a room and binge YouTube deepfakes." I was mildly horrified!

But yes, I agree. I really hope that this wave pushes people to get back outside and meet more people in the community. It's really hard to say what will happen though!

We just need that in order to lower the current rates of depression/anxiety, imo, or else the situation will only get worse.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

AI researchers and companies need to starting asking themselves: just because we can does it mean we should? The societal implications and risks of this technology are enormous. This could lead to an erosion of publc trust in audio and video evidence. Imagine someone creating something that gives dangerous medical advice using Fauci's likeness? Or giving the worst politicians an excuse to say that something they actu…

> In the life sciences there are limits to what researchers are allowed to do. And yet we're sitting here questioning whether covid was man made and there's serious speculation human genome experimentation is active in some parts of the world... > AI researchers and companies need to starting asking themselves: just because we can does it mean we should? This just results in the researchers/countries who take the mor…

I think the USA is far and away the most reckless here, and has the most funding. China is not having letting their AI labs release all the new models publicly, and in fact, our research is helping them develop it faster, since US companies are open sourcing everything. (Hey, let's develop tech more dangerous than nukes and share it!)

There is no arms race, we're all in a car driving straight toward a cliff, with everyone fighting to press the gas pedal harder. We need to stop, hard.

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After listening to this, I feel annoyed at the folks in the "AI clones teen girl’s voice in $1M kidnapping scam: ‘I’ve got your daughter’" thread that was on the front page yesterday saying "ppfftt bullshit you'd need to be an idiot to fall for an AI voice" - Guess I'm an idiot. Like it or not, generative media is getting better and better by the day.

Now you may want to adjust your estimations on how fast this is going, and how disruptive (and bad) it's going to be further. Exponential change is not something we're good at conceptualizing.

I really don't want to go through the singularity. I used to dream of an AI utopia, now I really wish I were born a hundred years ago instead and only had the great depression and war to look forward to.

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I think we now have the technology to build the talking portraits we saw in Harry Potter. Voice, facial movements, dialogs that matches the character can all be generated by AI now. I'm just not sure if this can be done realtime yet to interact with another person. In the future, you may be able to have a conversation with a portrait of your parents even after they pass away. (So collect as much training data now?)

That would be a pretty awesome installation at Universal Studios.

But I guess making it not say offensive things might be a problem… or not, depending on the character.

Re: Joe Rogan Issues Warning After AI-Generated Version of His Podcast Surfaces

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I think we're going to need some sort of 'real human' proof system where when you record any audio or video you publish the media hash, n-second segment hashes, and signed participants to a ledger/blockchain. You could also build a tamper-proof device that you place in frame that uses a combination of a hard to get-at private hardware key and the local ambiance to produce a signature you encode a as a subtle signal t…

Also other signals like gps, ambient radio waves, gyroscopic information, etc. whoever simulates reality better wins.

Maybe that is how the Matrix started...
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