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Joe Rogan Issues Warning After AI-Generated Version of His Podcast Surfaces

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Re: Joe Rogan Issues Warning After AI-Generated Version of His Podcast Surfaces

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Post by Eric_WVGG »

justapassenger wrote: post #45
NalNezumi wrote: post #18

Personally I love this new AI voice content booms. My favorite is the AI presidents discussing/playing/rating stuff [1], Attenborough narrating warhammer [2]. While slightly silly, I think in future people might start to take internet way less serious when you can literally make things up. Which I think is a good trend. People getting depressed or so consumed by the internet culture that they loose all interest in th…

> While slightly silly, I think in future people might start to take internet way less serious when you can literally make things up I think that’s a very naive view point. Internet is core part of today’s society, like it or not. It’s almost like saying that since we invented home printer, which make it easy to forge money, people will just take money less seriously.

If you don't mind my saying so, I think it's your point of view that's naive.

OP is talking about a large cultural shift, the type that skeptics said was impossible back at the advent of the web. The orthodox opinion was that the web was a fad and we'd all be reading newspapers and using coin-operated phones forever.

The scale of change that he’s describing — where the internet ceases to become a source-of-truth — would be a complete paradigm shift. Whether it's a "core part of today's society" is entirely irrelevant… newspapers were once core too.

Re: Joe Rogan Issues Warning After AI-Generated Version of His Podcast Surfaces

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Post by pixl97 »

tovej wrote: post #31
game_the0ry wrote: post #28

There is a need for a solution to this problem -- something like public / private key encryption or "more advanced social security" number to verify authenticity of a source via digital signature. There is a business to be made there.

You mean like China's social credit system? Sounds dystopian

There are few to no paths to a non-dystopian outcome currently.

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Post by httpz »

I think we now have the technology to build the talking portraits we saw in Harry Potter. Voice, facial movements, dialogs that matches the character can all be generated by AI now. I'm just not sure if this can be done realtime yet to interact with another person.

In the future, you may be able to have a conversation with a portrait of your parents even after they pass away. (So collect as much training data now?)

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Post by dogma1138 »

nperrier wrote: post #67
bg24 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope that we can reach a point where "trusted internet" becomes more popular . Trusted internet where you are dealing with identities (people) you know. And every hyperscale apps has a toggle to switch from noisy place to a familiar place.

I doubt that's possible. How do you know for certain it's not an AI on the other end impersonating a human? Clever people will find ways to game it.

Ironically AI spam might actually make “blockchain” or at least widespread of digital signatures useful ofc it would also mean an end to a mostly anonymous internet.

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Post by pixl97 »

siliconc0w wrote: post #42

I think we're going to need some sort of 'real human' proof system where when you record any audio or video you publish the media hash, n-second segment hashes, and signed participants to a ledger/blockchain. You could also build a tamper-proof device that you place in frame that uses a combination of a hard to get-at private hardware key and the local ambiance to produce a signature you encode a as a subtle signal t…

Oh no, your hardware key was destroyed in a fire, you don't exist any more.

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Post by putcalltheta »

game_the0ry wrote: post #28

There is a need for a solution to this problem -- something like public / private key encryption or "more advanced social security" number to verify authenticity of a source via digital signature. There is a business to be made there.

AI researchers and companies need to starting asking themselves: just because we can does it mean we should?

The societal implications and risks of this technology are enormous. This could lead to an erosion of publc trust in audio and video evidence. Imagine someone creating something that gives dangerous medical advice using Fauci's likeness? Or giving the worst politicians an excuse to say that something they actually said/did was just AI generated.

In the life sciences there are limits to what researchers are allowed to do. Especially with genomics.

There are great opportunities for AI to do good things for humanity. We should not waste the time and effort on trivial things like this that have negative net benefits to us.

Edit: spelling

Re: Joe Rogan Issues Warning After AI-Generated Version of His Podcast Surfaces

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Post by PicassoCTs »

NalNezumi wrote: post #18

Personally I love this new AI voice content booms. My favorite is the AI presidents discussing/playing/rating stuff [1], Attenborough narrating warhammer [2]. While slightly silly, I think in future people might start to take internet way less serious when you can literally make things up. Which I think is a good trend. People getting depressed or so consumed by the internet culture that they loose all interest in th…

People will just perfect the bubble, creating entire realitys disjunct from the scientific verifiable one and dig in there.

Re: Joe Rogan Issues Warning After AI-Generated Version of His Podcast Surfaces

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Post by mensetmanusman »

NalNezumi wrote: post #18

Personally I love this new AI voice content booms. My favorite is the AI presidents discussing/playing/rating stuff [1], Attenborough narrating warhammer [2]. While slightly silly, I think in future people might start to take internet way less serious when you can literally make things up. Which I think is a good trend. People getting depressed or so consumed by the internet culture that they loose all interest in th…

People wealthy enough to be insulated from a post truth world are more likely not to care.

It’s gonna be a wild ride with many dangerous possible outcomes.

Re: Joe Rogan Issues Warning After AI-Generated Version of His Podcast Surfaces

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Post by nanidin »

vannevar wrote: post #38

I think we'll see media personalities move to a public key encryption model, where authentic streams are encrypted in some manner with a private key to verify their origin.

I don’t doubt it, but I do doubt that the majority of the public will make an effort to verify signatures before consuming media. I think the public will rely on trusted channels - like the personality’s .com or official YouTube channel.

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Post by gtop3 »

NalNezumi wrote: post #18

Personally I love this new AI voice content booms. My favorite is the AI presidents discussing/playing/rating stuff [1], Attenborough narrating warhammer [2]. While slightly silly, I think in future people might start to take internet way less serious when you can literally make things up. Which I think is a good trend. People getting depressed or so consumed by the internet culture that they loose all interest in th…

> I think in future people might start to take internet way less serious when you can literally make things up.

Neal Stephenson goes into this topic with some depth in his 2019 novel "Fall; or, Dodge in Hell". Through his narrative he argues against the notion that any amount of false information on the internet will lead to people not trusting the internet.

Photography at large has been grappling with this same issue since at least the 90s when photography transitioned away from film and digital manipulation of images was suddenly possible. Today, photographs are still used all the time in journalism, in insurance claims, for identity verification, and in other matters were it is important to establish truth. We still largely trust photographs (but to a lesser degree), even if a skilled teenager can completely fabricate an image or video on a Saturday.

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