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Re: Hackful - A Hacker News for Europe

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Post by rayhano »

mohsen wrote: post #111

ok, so i've had this on my mind for some time now, and i'm going to highjack this thread in hopes of getting this out there. Hackful has sort of shot itself in the foot by trying to use HN as a medium to expose itself. for a long time now HN has started to cross the line from a place for people to share ideas and experiences with running a startup to a place for people to link to tutorials and hot topics in the tech…

So you generally found it relevant? And bear in mind it's been up for just over 24 hours... :)

Re: Hackful - A Hacker News for Europe

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Post by manmal »

mohsen wrote: post #111

ok, so i've had this on my mind for some time now, and i'm going to highjack this thread in hopes of getting this out there. Hackful has sort of shot itself in the foot by trying to use HN as a medium to expose itself. for a long time now HN has started to cross the line from a place for people to share ideas and experiences with running a startup to a place for people to link to tutorials and hot topics in the tech…

Hackful has currently 424 users, that's not enough to redact the content meaningfully. Once there are (much) more users, and the primary dedication (startups/programming/socializing/job-platform) has been established, the topics will make sense. If it gets that far - I sure hope so, since many things must be approached differently here in Europe.

Re: Hackful - A Hacker News for Europe

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Post by pedrolll »

angersock wrote: post #119
pestaa wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the tech war is over and we won Excuse me? I've just evaluated all possible virtual hosting services, and by far the best is in Germany. I know dozens of people who hate the US passionately because of high-horse comments like yours.

I would be curious to know which service that is, and what boxen they run, and what company made those boxen. In hindsight I realize that probably just opened the door to a pissing match over whose contributions to software/computing/startup culture is greater, but I think that would be an interesting conversation to have here. EDIT: To get the ball rolling, we've got Matsumoto : Ruby : Japan Ericsson: Erlang : Swede…

I don't think this will turn into a pissing contest. Hacker News comments are usually pretty insightful. Arguing over whether Europe as a continent or the U.S. as a country is better in some respects is just useless.

Re: Hackful - A Hacker News for Europe

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Post by manmal »

angersock wrote: post #109
Silhouette wrote: post #99

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> Yes, lets rule out the country that provides us with a userbase for most of our sites. With the greatest respect, that kind of silly assumption is exactly why a Euro-centric HN-style site is potentially interesting to those of us here in Europe. I can think of numerous ideas for businesses aimed at a particular kind of culture or niche interest where the US probably wouldn't be a particularly big market. In any cas…

So, if you already speak the language, why not use your larger demographic to promote more relevant articles here on HN? We benefit from having another perspective represented here more than we do from having it shown in some other far-flung echochamber on the web. Or is the idea of melting pot a bit much for you old country folks? :)

We do ;) There are many Europeans here on HN. For my taste, there could be more europe-centric news on HN, but again, how would US hackers support that? They are as bored of articles on Germany's public transport system as I am of articles on AT&T being unfair to their customers. By melting pot, do you mean the US or Europe? They technically both are..

Re: Hackful - A Hacker News for Europe

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Post by pestaa »

angersock wrote: post #119
pestaa wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the tech war is over and we won Excuse me? I've just evaluated all possible virtual hosting services, and by far the best is in Germany. I know dozens of people who hate the US passionately because of high-horse comments like yours.

I would be curious to know which service that is, and what boxen they run, and what company made those boxen. In hindsight I realize that probably just opened the door to a pissing match over whose contributions to software/computing/startup culture is greater, but I think that would be an interesting conversation to have here. EDIT: To get the ball rolling, we've got Matsumoto : Ruby : Japan Ericsson: Erlang : Swede…

You probably understand why it would be immature to compare continents. It's anyway getting harder to really get to the bottom of it as lots of engineer and scientists were taken to the US in the last century to work on those boxes.

But ultimately there are no sides to take, and that is why "US already won the tech war" comments piss people off, and rightfully so.

Re: Hackful - A Hacker News for Europe

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Post by manmal »

huskyr wrote: post #41

Wouldn't this be more successful if it would be split across countries? Stories about US-focused topics interest me as much (or as little) as stories about European countries where i don't live. Also, for more people than you might imagine a site thats in English (and not in their local language) could be a barrier.

Why? I as a an Austrian am very interested in stuff happening in Germany - being indirectly affected by it (job markets, economy), and the possibility of tele-working in Berlin is not so far-fetched, going there just once or twice by plane.

Re: Hackful - A Hacker News for Europe

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Post by angersock »

manmal wrote: post #124
angersock wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, if you already speak the language, why not use your larger demographic to promote more relevant articles here on HN? We benefit from having another perspective represented here more than we do from having it shown in some other far-flung echochamber on the web. Or is the idea of melting pot a bit much for you old country folks? :)

We do ;) There are many Europeans here on HN. For my taste, there could be more europe-centric news on HN, but again, how would US hackers support that? They are as bored of articles on Germany's public transport system as I am of articles on AT&T being unfair to their customers. By melting pot, do you mean the US or Europe? They technically both are..

I think getting the articles up there would at least give us a chance to see something we might not otherwise see--say, a German startup innovating in ticketing or something.

As for the melting pot, was a bit of a joke--the perception here is commonly that the US is a big diverse thingy whereas Europe, while diverse, is mostly diverse in terms of the amount of Europeans it has. :)

Re: Hackful - A Hacker News for Europe

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Post by tucosan »

rayhano wrote: post #71
skrebbel wrote: post #12

I doubt it'll work. HN doesn't work just because it's there, it works because it has a certain traction among a certain community. Building up such traction is very difficult, and I doubt doing so by adding a link to it from a non-Europe-focused site is going to help much. Lamernews looked real cool the first 2 weeks as well, and then it mostly died out. How will Hackful be different? I mean, I'd love it to be differ…

You are right... but that is why Hackful should be fine: it was born out of an email list called Open Coffee London where there is an amazing community of entrepreneurs helping each other everyday. We saw how open HackerNews is and thought that we should give our European community more chance to flourish. Our NEXT steps are to make this more shareable: RSS, possibly daily email digests (opt-in only) THEN we are plug…

I really like the idea. And i hope that this gains traction. Also, it would be great if hackful tries to focus on Europe* and not just London. E.g., Berlin is a great hotspot as well atm.

Re: Hackful - A Hacker News for Europe

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Post by bigfoot »

Geee wrote: post #61

The problem with Europe is the multitude of languages. You can't target Europe with English language, or it will end up UK/US centric. That's pretty much unsolvable problem. Of course we can talk about things happening in Europe, but that doesn't make sense.

You're being overly pessimistic on the percentage of Europeans speaking English (though not necessarily as their native language). This language has worked as a common means to communicate for a long time and definitely won't leave this web site end up being "UK/US centric".

Re: Hackful - A Hacker News for Europe

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

angersock wrote: post #103
kiloaper wrote: post #32

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The number one reason for me would be because lots of the things covered on HN tend to be US focused to the point that people forget anywhere else exists. I'm tired of articles praising some service provider or payment processor only to find they are US-only and may support the EU in 'the future'. I'm tired of rants about carrier practices that only affect the US as if it is universal. I'd like to see a site where th…

I'd like to see a site where there is an actual consciousness that not everyone is living in the United States of America. Well, if our lobbyists do their jobs properly, mere accidents of geography will not keep you out of the fold. :) Moreover, sorry dude, the tech war is over and we won. We've got better funding, better language, better regulations, and better spirit--and sadly, not a lot else. EDIT: (and yes, not…

Moreover, sorry dude, the tech war is over and we won

In monetary terms that is probably true, if by "tech" you mean IT. But the losers of your "war" have invented things like the Web, Linux, Python, Ruby, PHP, MySQL, English and the ARM CPU, not to speak of most math and logic foundations of today's tech industry.

The only item on your list that I wholeheartedly agree with is "better funding". Everything else is, um, ...patriotism?

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