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“Healthy obesity” doesn’t exist. It is unequivocally bad for you

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There is no hack. Exercise is non-negotiable. Our lifestyles are far too sedantry for our bodies' evolution. If you are not willing to add a small amount of exercise into your life, you are admitting that you are happy to at least have health issues later in life or at most willing to live a shorter life.

Exercise is essential for health, but not the best bet to lose weight, isn't it?

That's right. Diet is the key to "losing weight."

Re: “Healthy obesity” doesn’t exist. It is unequivocally bad for you

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There’s really no getting around the fact that you need to live an active life of consuming things in moderation to be healthy.

The challenge is what is the closest hack to get around it, as most people, admittedly myself included, are not willing to exercise? Semaglutide seems to be the best bet right now.

"The challenge is what is the closest hack to get around it ..."

I owe it to you to be capable of (among other things): a few minutes of chest compressions, running a mile or so for help, and dragging an adult body a few hundred feet to safety.

I owe that to you and we owe it to each other.

There will be no hack to "get around it".

Conversely: If you can do these things, I don't care what you look like or what your actuarial table shows or what you ate for lunch.

Re: “Healthy obesity” doesn’t exist. It is unequivocally bad for you

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The challenge is what is the closest hack to get around it, as most people, admittedly myself included, are not willing to exercise? Semaglutide seems to be the best bet right now.

My hack is to not own a car and commute by bike. It is exercise, but camouflages as required activity. I also try to deliberately walk instead of taking the subway regularly, even if it takes an hour or so.

This is what I do as well - money saved by no car ownership also means I don't work as much, which leads to even greater happiness.

Re: “Healthy obesity” doesn’t exist. It is unequivocally bad for you

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What interests me is how anybody could ever come to believe otherwise. The contrary belief flies in the face of all common sense, popular experience and medical science. It seems to come entirely from propaganda on social media telling fat people what they want to believe.

It’s because American society doesn’t let being unhealthy be an affirmative choice. You either need to demonstrate some kind of shame for your unhealthiness or some kind rationale that explains how its actually healthy. The honest facts that “I like to eat tasty good” and “I don’t really enjoy too much physical activity” are only permissible if you also say “and I can’t help myself” or “and it’s actually not unhealth…

Sure it does. I don't know what part of America you live in, but one of my obese coworkers jokes he eats all the processed food "so the preservatives will keep him alive".

Confident self-awareness goes a long way, although self-destructive behavior in general isn't respected, nor should it be IMO.

Re: “Healthy obesity” doesn’t exist. It is unequivocally bad for you

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I wonder what's going to happen long term to the recent trend of celebrating obesity in advertising. E.g. go to any Target and you will see overweight or obese models wearing the clothes they sell. On one hand you have to represent your current population, and with the majority of Americans overweight or obese, that's who your customers are. On the other, can this be seen as normalizing a disease?

It's interesting to see this together with normalizing larger portions of junk food and desserts.

In the 80's, cookies were small, bags of potato chips were tiny and you couldn't "supersize" your fries and Coke at McD's.

But then in the 90's cookies and chips and fries and soda sizes just exploded in size. Now they're the new normal.

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The old line goes > Your BMI tells me your overweight. > But rugby players BMIs are high, and they aren't overweight! > You don't play rugby though do you. I'm glad that "fat acceptance" may be turning a corner and will be banished hopefully and there can be a semblance of rational discourse. Ideally you should be a BMI 22, non smoking, non drinking, long distance runner living in the countryside eating a perfectly b…

It is bizarre that you would read an article which says, “using body-mass index (BMI) to measure obesity is likely the most problematic factor,” and then immediately prescribe a fixed BMI for everyone without qualification.

Re: “Healthy obesity” doesn’t exist. It is unequivocally bad for you

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I wonder what's going to happen long term to the recent trend of celebrating obesity in advertising. E.g. go to any Target and you will see overweight or obese models wearing the clothes they sell. On one hand you have to represent your current population, and with the majority of Americans overweight or obese, that's who your customers are. On the other, can this be seen as normalizing a disease?

I also find it repulsive, but unless the average weight starts going down the trend in advertising is unlikely to reverse.

Re: “Healthy obesity” doesn’t exist. It is unequivocally bad for you

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In what world are you living? Being obese is and always has been frowned upon. There is a small faction of people who believe that nobody should be treated poorly for having a body that doesn't fit an ideal. You specifically say that body positivity "makes people feel good about obesity". Which, said another way, seems like you think "people should feel bad if they are fat". Why would you wish for someone to feel bad…

Are you saying someone who is an alcoholic should feel happy about being an alcoholic and just live it up because, why would I as an alcoholic try and not be an alcoholic if society is telling me I have no agency over it.

Nobody is born an alcoholic. Shockingly, plenty of people are born with bodies that retain fat, even fed the exact same diet as a skinny person.

And I sure hope you're carving out an exception for the many many people in the world who are fat because it's a side effect of a medication they are forced to take for an unrelated health condition. Or should they feel bad about their bodies too?

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Exercise is the key to fighting bad inflammation, making it the key to fight off a legion of inflammatory diseases including many related cancers.

Is that so? I often get headaches after excercise, that only go away after taking anti-inflammatory drugs like ibuprofen. So I always thought exercise triggers inflammation for me (especially if I go harder than usual).

Exercise does trigger inflammation, and countering that inflammation can in fact degrade the positive effects of exercise. Inflammation is the body's signal to rebuild and strengthen.

I obviously can't tell from your hn post (and IANA doctor), but sometimes I get headaches because I haven't drank enough water, or I've just gone out too hard.

Re: “Healthy obesity” doesn’t exist. It is unequivocally bad for you

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no hack. Exercise is non-negotiable. Our lifestyles are far too sedantry for our bodies' evolution. If you are not willing to add a small amount of exercise into your life, you are admitting that you are happy to at least have health issues later in life or at most willing to live a shorter life.

Exercising is easy, most people can find an activity they enjoy doing. Eating right is a far more demanding task, and sadly that's what matters when it comes to losing weight.

Exercising in the US is hard AF, and only getting harder. There’s comparatively little opportunity to make exercise a part of daily routine. I’m either behind the wheel or a car or behind a desk all day.
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