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Larry Page to Googlers: If You Don’t Get SPYW, Work Somewhere Else

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Re: Larry Page to Googlers: If You Don’t Get SPYW, Work Somewhere Else

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Post by libraryatnight »

flyt wrote: post #100
redthrowaway wrote: post #65

I'm seeing a whole lot of hyperbole around here for what still seems to be pretty much a non-issue. Don't like SPYW? Don't use it. It's one button . Click it, and move on. Between the Don't Be Evil script stunt from facebook/twitter and the content-free blogspam from Sarah Lacy/pandodaily, it seems like there are a few people out there who really, really want this to be an issue. It isn't. Get over it.

I don't understand: one click opt-out is ok for Google but not for Facebook's product launches?

Doesn't facebook usually do it in regard to rather important privacy settings? Google's is more of a default search filter you can just turn off, no? I clicked the SPYW off the first day I saw it and haven't given it much thought since.

Re: Larry Page to Googlers: If You Don’t Get SPYW, Work Somewhere Else

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Post by conradfr »

Karunamon wrote: post #104
RobertKohr wrote: post #102

I don't care much about google+ infiltrating search. What I care most about is that searches are now more fuzzy. If I want to search for terms : A B C D The results will consist of things with any combination of those items, and sometimes things that are similar to those items. There used to be a + operator to force things, but that has been removed in the last half year. They supposedly added back something similar…

FWIW, you can enclose things in quotes to force strings to be searched verbatim. It's an extra character, true, but it does work.

Well it seems that the search engine dismiss my quotes more and more and it's getting really annoying.

Re: Larry Page to Googlers: If You Don’t Get SPYW, Work Somewhere Else

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Post by tnuc »

peterwwillis wrote: post #92

Spent over 20 minutes to disable all of Google's bullshit personalization of search. I swear to Bob, if they shove one more god damn "feature" into Search i'm gonna make my default engine Yahoo.

How did you disable this "bullshit personalization of search"?

Re: Larry Page to Googlers: If You Don’t Get SPYW, Work Somewhere Else

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Post by prawn »

rhizome wrote: post #4

SPYW: "Search Plus Your World"

I skimmed the article (missing a couple of mentions) trying to work out what it was. Ended up having to Google it and then checked to see if anyone here had explained it.

Is this a big thing for Google+ users? Hadn't stumbled across it at all.

Re: Larry Page to Googlers: If You Don’t Get SPYW, Work Somewhere Else

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Post by dredge »

Karunamon wrote: post #104
RobertKohr wrote: post #102

I don't care much about google+ infiltrating search. What I care most about is that searches are now more fuzzy. If I want to search for terms : A B C D The results will consist of things with any combination of those items, and sometimes things that are similar to those items. There used to be a + operator to force things, but that has been removed in the last half year. They supposedly added back something similar…

FWIW, you can enclose things in quotes to force strings to be searched verbatim. It's an extra character, true, but it does work.

Or choose 'Verbatim' under 'More search tools' down in the bottom left.

Re: Larry Page to Googlers: If You Don’t Get SPYW, Work Somewhere Else

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Post by davux »

thought_alarm wrote: post #68
rhizome wrote: post #4

SPYW: "Search Plus Your World"

If you google it, it's currently the 3rd and 4th search results. Now, if you google SPYW on Bing then it's nowhere to be found, and that's ultimately why I continue to use Google for search regardless of whatever nonsense they put in the side bar.

I just checked on Bing and it's in the description of the second result, from a Jan 13th article.

http://www.bing.com/search?q=SPYW

> Jan 13, 2012 · Summary: Google’s Search Plus Your World (SPYW) announcement has ruffled some feathers. Both Facebook and Twitter have reacted ...

I've been banging the "Bing needs to do so much better to make even a tiny dent" drum for a while now, but they've made strides in the past 6 months.

Re: Larry Page to Googlers: If You Don’t Get SPYW, Work Somewhere Else

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Post by mechanical_fish »

joebadmo wrote: post #95
danilocampos wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The two previous "compromises" you cite are both examples of giving you what you want, instead of what you said you want. While your anecdotal data says that you are annoyingly misled by that, I'm sure there's a measure of selection bias there, and I'm sure Google has a lot more than anecdotal data. You can wave your hands around in pretty patterns all you want – the fact remains I'm a user who used to enjoy the pr…

You can wave your hands around in pretty patterns all you want – the fact remains I'm a user who used to enjoy the product and now is frustrated by it. I'm not alone in this. Have they annoyed enough users for it to be a big problem? We'll see. But big or not – it's a problem. I'm not sure what you mean by "wave your hands around in pretty patterns." I'm not denying that these things annoy some or even many users. I'…

Google's pretty obviously in the best position to be able to tell, and famously and religiously acts from that position to a fault.

You said it. I'm reminded of a line from Stephenson's Snow Crash:

Hiro runs down the center of the Towne Hall... He turns off all the techno-shit in his goggles. All it does is confuse him; he stands there reading statistics about his own death even as it's happening to him. Very post-modern.

Google's big mistakes will be the best documented mistakes in human history, especially in retrospect when historians have sufficient time to sort the data from the chaff. But that doesn't mean the mistakes won't happen.

Re: Larry Page to Googlers: If You Don’t Get SPYW, Work Somewhere Else

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Post by lifeisstillgood »

I'm dubious just how much relevance social signals add. And for me this is the crux of the matter.

It looks like google is just chasing after facebook, with the sole intention of monetizing those lovely social graphs.

That might not be evil, but it loses you a lot of goodwill. Telling the cows they are monetisabke beef units will hurt Daisy's feelings.

If the google search page came with some means of showing the raw search and the adjusted ones, we might be willing to give them the benefit of the doubt (I.e. Your results, plus the raw duckduckgo equivalent, plus the ones based on your past search history but ignoring your google+ account etc)

google is search, and the other posts are right - they forget that at their peril. But they can be forgiven the other dalliances if they can show us how those products made search better

Re: Larry Page to Googlers: If You Don’t Get SPYW, Work Somewhere Else

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Post by kmfrk »

pg wrote: post #48
Aloisius wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Serious question: have there been any success stories of ex-Googlers starting their own companies? I've been under the impression that the few that have had successful exits were bought by Google itself, mostly as talent acquisitions.

Twitter and Foursquare are fairly prominent examples, though in both cases the founders were people who became Google employees when their previous startups were acquired. Among startups we've funded, I know at least Greplin, Optimizely, Appjet, and ReMail have/had founders who previously worked at Google. I'm sure there are at least that many more, but I don't remember where most of the people we funded worked befor…

Foursquare is not the most inspiring story, no. Google acquired them, killed Dodgeball, and Foursquare was created in protest. At least the way I recall it.

http://www.crunchbase.com/company/dodgeball

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