If someone can make money off something, after achieving global visibility, they will - it's almost an iron law. The only exceptions I can think of are Wikipedia, Archive.org, and Wikileaks.
OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit
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Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit
#122I like that the corporate bullshit just keeps getting more. Google’s “don’t be evil” is many steps down from openai having open in their name. They should be called Open AI with ( not open) in small print. I argue a lot over “open source” software with non-OSI license and sometimes worry if I’m too pedantic. But I think it’s important to use terms accurately and not to confuse reality more than it already is by calli…
A lot of non-OSI open source licenses are ironically motivated by other forms of bad corporate behavior: take open source, SaaSify it, make massive profits, give nothing back. In some cases they go so far as to rebrand it and give no credit. Licenses like the SSPL try to restrict this behavior.
Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
He's lost himself in the fake popularity of being a social media celebrity. He started believing that having 100 million followers on a web site really means that a continent's worth of people adore you. For all his complaints about bots after he got cold feet on the Twitter purchase, he seems strangely naïve about how social media really works and what's real there. “This is ridiculous,” he said, according to multip…
It has become evident that placing one's trust in mainstream media is an exercise in futility, as they are often found to be biased in their reporting against tech. Elon Musk's claim regarding the algorithm flaw resulting in his de-ranking was indeed accurate. The feature was intended to lower the ranking of frequently being blocked accounts. However, the flaw was that it did not account for larger accounts, allowing…
Why just distrust mainstream media? Social media and alt media are media too.
Media means to mediate, to get between and regulate discourse. In this case it’s to get between you and reality or you and others in the social media case.
The only way to escape media is to open your eyes and interact with things directly.
Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
Unfortunately all of those have their own ethical issues, commercial corruption is not the only challenge to well-intentioned initiatives when meeting scale.
What are some unethical things about Wikipedia or archive.org?
Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit
#125Nice grift by Sam Altman taking all the donations and good will a non profit gets just to flip 180. He probably would have done the same with his crypto scam startup worldcoin if it would not have failed in every way before he could scam.
and think of all the talks he is going to do in the future about "hard work" and "ethics" and "innovation"
Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit
#126This seems an important article, if for no other reason than it brings the betrayal of its foundational claim still brazenly present in OpenAI's name from the obscurity of HN comments going back years into the public light and the mainstream. They've achieved marvellous things, OpenAI, but the pivot and long-standing refusal to deal with it honestly leaves an unpleasant taste, and doesn't bode well for the future, es…
Seriously, is there anyone naive enough to have swallowed any of their trips? Corporations don't have ethical compasses, much less corporations founded by VCs aka professional salesmen.
Isn't that the point that it wasn't founded as a corporation, nor by Sam Altman?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenAI#:~:text=The%20organizat....
Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit
#127Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have been using Twitter for 12 years and this has not been "obvious" to me at all. You shouldn't assume that your opinions are obvious or even shared by the majority of people you mention.
I’ve blocked him - it was getting too much and I really don’t care what his view on things are. I had a lot of admiration for him until he became more public - now, I think he is a cruel person who’s politics do not align one bit with me.
Same here.
I just did a quick survey of his tweets going back to roughly February 24th.
7 Meme
1 Twitter Ad
11 American Culture War/Politics
1 Spacex
8 Starlink/Spacex Retweets
2 Tesla Retweet
2 AI Hot Take
3 Irrelevant
This is a real bad noise-to-signal ratio for me.
Everything I'm interested in I can get from company accounts (SpaceX/Tesla) and/or third party reporting.
As a consequence, I decided to keep him blocked since otherwise his "algorithmically enhanced Ego" has a tendency of finding its way back into my perception.
Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit
#128capitalism ruins everything. imagine speed of improvement in AI if everything was open sourced, instead of guarding their little secrets. i hope google get f**, hoarding AI knowledge for years, only got shaken after recent events force them.
Do you know of any open source projects with the approximately $5 million it takes to train GPT3? Do you think the AI scientists who invented the underlying techniques would do so without being paid? No, Google and others paid for these people's work. Even if OpenAI was open source and still a non-profit, its funding would come from the profit generated by corporations and the wealth of individuals who became rich th…
>> Do you know of any open source projects with the approximately $5 million it takes to train GPT3?
Two things. 1) research into smaller more efficient models and 2) hardware prices will come down for a bit longer. So longer term this kind of thing should be free.
It's common for companies to be first at complex things because the coordinated effort or cost involved, and later that becomes more feasible and cheap or free options become possible. I'm all for inventors/companies getting paid for new developments, but I'm also not terribly excited for them to keep innovation locked up and charge rent on it for eternity. This works out in most cases at varying pace, but not always.
Re: OpenAI is now everything it promised not to be: closed-source and for-profit
#129I get the rage, but honestly, could have OpenAI reach its goals, this product, if it stayed non-profit? If it wouldn't have gotten this money? How much capital, progress did it have before and after switching the status? The article says directly that they got 1B from Microsoft right after the change.
Every previous OpenAI thread on HN is filled how expensive is it to train and run these models, yet we somehow expect that this money comes out of thin air? Why would someone - including governments, foundations, grants - finance such research before other endeavours when it costs this much, the outcome and its effects are so unpredictable, the chance of misuse so high?
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#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
What’s mainstream media in this case? The Verge, a web-only publication that only writes about tech? Seems like stretching the definition beyond any usefulness…
Your question is quite intriguing. In my view, mainstream media refers to media organisations that are prominent in the current cultural and political environment. In my opinion, these organisations have largely turned against the tech industry, perceiving it as a competitor and a generally negative force. For instance, The Verge is owned by Vox, which I personally consider with all due respect an extremely biased le…
> "mainstream media refers to media organisations that are prominent in the current cultural and political environment"
So Fox News and Breitbart are mainstream media?
Fox is the most watched TV channel in the United States — hard to argue they're not an essential part of the current political environment. And Breitbart is certainly more prominent and influential than a niche site like The Verge. The latter's editors don't get White House jobs.