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Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

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post #37

What's the problem with "4 yr old laptops"? My colleagues and I use Teams on computers 1-5 years old and haven't heard about any issues.

it's a reference to the previous para:

> Effective immediately, we will be moving laptop refreshes from three years to four years.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

#122

How is it possible that Teams is still such a poor product? I really didn't like it when my job switched like 6 years ago, and I don't recall ever feeling that it improved in any meaningful way. I switched jobs to one using Slack and it's not perfect but it is a lot better. It's almost a meme at this point. In the presence of other clients that have gotten it "right" (or at least more "right" than teams) like Slack,…

we use discord, it's is way better for real time communication than slack, for everything non-urgent we just use email

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

#123
post #51
post #2

That’s plenty of time to dust off the resume and start pounding the pavement! Very generous of Microsoft to give so much notice! Edit: for those who may think I’m overreacting to a small change in tooling, I offer this classic essay [1]. It explains the reasoning behind leaving much better than I could! [1] https://steveblank.com/2009/12/21/the-elves-leave-middle-ear...

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What’s a spectrumite?

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

#124
post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Team has issues is the understatement of the year. A simple feature like screen freeze has been requested per use in the thread below hundreds of times... "Between different messaging boards (including the link above) this feature has been requested over 2000 times (1044 times as of this writing on the link above alone). Could Microsoft chime in to let us know if this is going to be on the roadmap? Thanks." https://a…

They don’t even have something as simple as a key combo to mute and other basic functionality (macos).

I am not trying to defend Teams, I hate it. But Cmd+Shift+M does that on Teams on macOS.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

#126

How is it possible that Teams is still such a poor product? I really didn't like it when my job switched like 6 years ago, and I don't recall ever feeling that it improved in any meaningful way. I switched jobs to one using Slack and it's not perfect but it is a lot better. It's almost a meme at this point. In the presence of other clients that have gotten it "right" (or at least more "right" than teams) like Slack,…

Is Teams such a poor product? I used it routinely at Intel (using the Linux client, even) and now only occasionally, but... it's just fine. Text and video chat is a pretty solved problem, and it seems like all the major players here are really very tolerable. Surely SeriousUsers with existing workflows are going to be disrupted by any switch, but there are no major holes in Teams.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

#128
post #4

"for the sole purpose of video conferencing". They're still using slack for day-to-day...

Which implies they were using some third tool, Zoom say, right? (I mean, assuming the cost-saving isn't switching to free-tier Slack!) Seems weird to me to introduce Teams as the mandatory change rather than switch it to be done in Slack, which they already have.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

#129
post #11

Somewhat ironic that a company that’s entire existence was based on the idea of giving developers great tools no longer values giving its own developers great tools. Only a matter of time before this new attitude towards developers shows up in the product.

My Teams works fine on my Mac without issues. Have been using it for over a year now.

Fwiw - I don’t understand why it’s hated. It’s a collaboration tool - mainly messaging and conferencing. It’s been decent at that for me.

Re: GitHub staff are required to use Teams by Sep 1, 2023

#130
post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Changing jobs over video conferencing software would be extreme.

It's like "leave when the free soda disappears" - people who have "been around long enough" learn to notice the signs that tell them it might be time to start looking. Others (and this is entirely valid in my opinion) see and notice and decide to ride it down all the way to the ground; this can be valuable also as a dying company is likely to promote anyone who remains; title inflation is a real thing. Or another way…

I'd love to hear more about these "leave when the free soda disappears" signs. I think a lot of us can benefit from the unmoderated experiences of others who've been in this situation. When "lifers" start disappearing that's a big indicator the show's over.
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