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Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by ericmay »

OrvalWintermute wrote: post #17

I support free speech and consider myself a libertarian, having much in common with the populist-libertarian-right, and the civil-liberties-left. But tracking a flight like this on a regular basis to this intrusive a level strikes me as downright creepy and personally invasive. Are you going to track the locations of his vehicles and where they park next? An alternative argument - if we're going to do it to him, mayb…

How is it any different than paparazzi?

Problem here is that there are clearly free speech bounds, but Elon Musk has campaigned publically about being a "free speech absolutist" which would entail not curbing any form of speech.

You can always find compelling arguments for banning speech or forms of speech and we'll continue to draw and redraw lines as a society. But you can't go around claiming to have some absolute principle and then renege on it any time it hurts your feelings and continue to be respected. Can you think of anyone else who has their flights tracked? Are Bill Gates' flights tracked? Why do you think that is?

Also being a public figure means that you lose some amount of privacy. If he doesn't want all this drama he could just stop talking and being a highly prominent public figure. Now we're just going to get a flight tracking website instead, probably with new features.

I think there are at least two problems with your alternative argument, if not more. The first problem is Elon Musk is politically connected and operates in the public sphere as a highly political person. The second problem is that there isn't anything that prevents people from tracking other rich people like they do Elon, except that nobody cares about what they do because they don't do things like buy Twitter. If you want a change I think you have to make private flight information unavailable, but until then I don't see any real problem with it. Stop flying a private jet if you don't like people posting where you are flying to and from. There isn't anything that prevents someone from reporting everywhere I go except that nobody cares. Hell, I self-report it on Yelp.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by coldpie »

mywittyname wrote: post #85
ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #8

Looks like he's sprinting towards the endgame of bankruptcy: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/13/technology/elon-musk-twit...

I'm guessing bankruptcy has always been the plan, but I never really understood why his financial backers would knowingly light a pile of money on fire. For oppressive governments, it seems easier to monitor & block activity on one major social media platform, rather than quashing twitter and dealing with the dozens of platforms that rise from the ashes. Maybe it's a megalomaniac dictator thing, and I will never unde…

> I never really understood why his financial backers would knowingly light a pile of money on fire

Think about FTX, cryptocurrencies, Juicero... it's becoming pretty overwhelmingly clear that having money is not in any way correlated to being able to spend it intelligently. It's time to start seriously thinking about wealth caps.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by adamsb6 »

_eht wrote: post #21
Overtonwindow wrote: post #7

Just an observation, but it seems that the Twitter files revelations are getting drastically less press than everything else Elon does. It almost feels like kill the messenger

Please explain the noteworthy parts of a private entity giving political entities special treatment. I’ll take my answer off the line. Thanks.

The noteworthiests bits are government entities directing censorship of private speech.

Yes, Twitter is a private platform. But is it legal for the government to aid them in their censorship effort?

Suppose Twitter had a policy against religious speech. Would it be legal for the government to identify instances of religious speech on the platform and forward it on to Twitter moderators, knowing it will certainly be removed?

If you think that would be legal, would your mind be changed if the government helped Twitter to develop its rules against religious speech?

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by pastor_bob »

yanderekko wrote: post #27
alarmingfox wrote: post #4

Well it seems like Elon is reneging on his previous commitment to free speech. - https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589414958508691456

Serious question: Is there an alternative narrative here? People are acting like Musk changed course for no reason, but are there no real claims that the account perhaps had started to engage in other rule-breaking content? Note that I'm asking for an actual steelmanned argument for why there's no possible defense of Musk here, not why people have high priors to just assume there's no defense.

Yeah, maybe Twitter instituted a new rule (not public) that you can't track Elon Musk's flight patterns.

Follow the rules, people.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by sbochins »

I always feel dirty following the latest Twitter news. It feels like reading the tabloids at this point. But anyway, is there anyone that still buys the free speech angle from Musk? So far, he has just brought back some right wing accounts, removed some left wing accounts, and took on personal vendettas, like this.

I think Twitter may actually end up making more money in the future. Musk seems to be able to market his companies very effectively. I’m assuming there is significantly more interest in the going ons at Twitter since he took over.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by saboot »

drooby wrote: post #71

Twitters relevant policy: “Private information: You may not publish or post other people's private information (such as home phone number and address) without their express authorization and permission. We also prohibit threatening to expose private information or incentivizing others to do so. Learn more.” Now.. his fight information is technically “public” but in that same sense, phone numbers and street addresses…

This is the definition of Orwellian, what a bizarre way to defend this.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by Thlom »

ixwt wrote: post #41
OrvalWintermute wrote: post #17

I support free speech and consider myself a libertarian, having much in common with the populist-libertarian-right, and the civil-liberties-left. But tracking a flight like this on a regular basis to this intrusive a level strikes me as downright creepy and personally invasive. Are you going to track the locations of his vehicles and where they park next? An alternative argument - if we're going to do it to him, mayb…

From what I've heard (I haven't searched for verification) hedge funds do watch private flights in an attempt to be ahead of merger announcements.

They probably do, they also use satellite imagery and AIS data to track cargo loading/unloading in ports and whatever else there is out there of data which might say something about the economy or specific companies or sectors or whatever.

Re: ElonJet Is Now Suspended

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Post by jjulius »

ancapsfascists wrote: post #98
seanw444 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I don't know why anyone thought Twitter would be a "bastion" of free speech. His history proves otherwise.

Hacker News fell for it, hook line and sinker. The number of people saying "give him a chance" and "he actually believes in free speech" dominated those who were like, "he'll probably just change who gets banned to be more in line with his personal beliefs."

>Hacker News fell for it, hook line and sinker.

Were we reading the same threads? I've seen countless people on HN predicting exactly this sorta thing happening, even myself.

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