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Re: Hetzner continues its growth in the US with a new location

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Post by arlcode »

q-base wrote: post #113
arlcode wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As I read it the issue is that the American HQ can order their European subsidiary to provide the data. Hetzner US does not have a European subsidary and therefore cannot violate GDPR (assuming US personal can't access EU customer data). Hetzner HQ is in Germany and is not allowed to enforce the CLOUD Act outside the US

That could also be correct. But if I was under legal/contractual obligations, with Hetzner as my hosting provider, I would have their legal department confirm this. Since Hetzner found the need for appending the paragraph I referenced, they must have become aware of something.

True.

Now that they are entangled with US law there might be an incentive to be as a cooperative as possible.

Yet, Hetzner is still a "better" option (with regards to data protection) than any of the big US-based cloud providers.

Re: Hetzner continues its growth in the US with a new location

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Post by jbb67 »

I have one of their cheapest dedicated servers and a Sunday evening a few weeks ago the hard drive died.

I put in a ticket and within about half an hour they had installed a replacement disk. I then had to reinstall everything because I'd messed up my raid config but that was totally my fault not theirs.

I was very pleased with that efficiency on what is a very cheap server.

Re: Hetzner continues its growth in the US with a new location

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Post by luckylion »

I really like Hetzner (very inexpensive and generally good quality), but their TOS are difficult and their DMCA is just broken.

The TOS are vague. You're not allowed to "violate the rights of third parties", but they don't have a clear policy on what is a violation. If you review a product and the company files a DMCA, they may or may not say that naming a brand is a violation (I've experienced them coming down on both sides of the issue), when it's clearly fair use.

For DMCA claims, they tell you to use a form to reply, but the responses from the form will not be received and/or read reliably, so half the time you get a follow up email after 24h saying you haven't replied, so they will now manually check resolution and might block your server.

Tech and pricing are fine and I recommend them, legal is an issue, and I'd include some "but only if you're in an industry where DMCA claims are unheard of" caveat with my recommendation.

Re: Hetzner continues its growth in the US with a new location

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Post by rmoriz »

adeptima wrote: post #52

Waiting for GPU dedicated hosting for inference at Hetzner prices with max 2x-3x markup ...

iirc Hetzner once had GPU offerings in Germany but it was discontinued. I guess it was hard to model a business case on short living hardware (from a business perspective as Hetzner hardware usually runs for a couple of years) and mad pricing/sourcing due to all the blockchain/ML hype. Today I guess eneregy is also an issue.

Re: Hetzner continues its growth in the US with a new location

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Post by devn0ll »

zelphirkalt wrote: post #15

I hope they created an offspring company with no access to the Hetzner main infrastructure. It would be very inconvenient to lose the "hosted in Germany" - a.k.a. "not accessible data for the US" - aspect in terms of GDPR.

It is because of this, I had to move four of my customers away from Hetzner. Since they just did not want to be in the "sphere of US influence".

Choices for EU only companies are getting smaller, and this is a real let-down.

Re: Hetzner continues its growth in the US with a new location

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Post by _cenw »

dtx1 wrote: post #112
Hetzner_OL wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks so much for the detailed recommendation! We're thrilled that you're with us, that you appreciate our low prices, that you find our Cloud Console pleasant to use, and that our rescale feature helps you grow so easily! --Katie

Please do a managed Kubernetes next. I couldn't convince any of our customers to switch to Hetzner because they'd need to do "everything themselves". A managed Kubernetes instance would instantly make Hetzner an alternative for at least 75% of our customers. And honestly it's quite a cheap way to earn a bonus on your server instances. Edit: And if you do manged Kubernetes and managed Kafka Instances the number would…

Kubeone on Hetzner is honestly one of the smoothest non-managed experiences I've ever had with Kubernetes - better than some managed ones. Includes all of the things Hetzner already provides for Kubernetes (so I'm sure they're working on their own) - internal networking support, load balancers, volumes. And you scale worker nodes with a CRD too.

https://github.com/kubermatic/kubeone/tree/main/examples/ter...

Re: Hetzner continues its growth in the US with a new location

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Post by ThePhysicist »

woodson wrote: post #116

> The new location at Hillsboro will host Hetzner Cloud servers mounted with AMD processors A kind of interesting statement, given that Intel has a large presence in Hillsboro (>15K employees IIRC). Not that this would matter to Hetzner, but still curious.

Are you worried Intel folks will drive over to their DC and smash their servers because "this is an Intel town"?

Re: Hetzner continues its growth in the US with a new location

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Post by oblio »

mythz wrote: post #48

We're a long time Hetzner dedicated server customer currently transitioning from their dedicated servers in Germany to their US Cloud product (for reduced latency) which we can highly recommend as it was the best US Cloud provider we've found that works out to be an order of magnitude less expensive than equivalent specs on Azure/AWS and also includes 20TB free bandwidth that would cost a fortune in AWS/Azure's artif…

How are their APIs for Configuration as Code?

Re: Hetzner continues its growth in the US with a new location

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Post by dtx1 »

_cenw wrote: post #126
dtx1 wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please do a managed Kubernetes next. I couldn't convince any of our customers to switch to Hetzner because they'd need to do "everything themselves". A managed Kubernetes instance would instantly make Hetzner an alternative for at least 75% of our customers. And honestly it's quite a cheap way to earn a bonus on your server instances. Edit: And if you do manged Kubernetes and managed Kafka Instances the number would…

Kubeone on Hetzner is honestly one of the smoothest non-managed experiences I've ever had with Kubernetes - better than some managed ones. Includes all of the things Hetzner already provides for Kubernetes (so I'm sure they're working on their own) - internal networking support, load balancers, volumes. And you scale worker nodes with a CRD too. https://github.com/kubermatic/kubeone/tree/main/examples/ter...

That's wicked cool, thank you. For me and a little more experimental customers, this is a nice option but for the more legacy customers out there, if it doesn't have an SLA, it doesn't exist. I know it doesn't make sense but it's how big companies tend to work.

Re: Hetzner continues its growth in the US with a new location

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Post by rmoriz »

dtx1 wrote: post #112
Hetzner_OL wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks so much for the detailed recommendation! We're thrilled that you're with us, that you appreciate our low prices, that you find our Cloud Console pleasant to use, and that our rescale feature helps you grow so easily! --Katie

Please do a managed Kubernetes next. I couldn't convince any of our customers to switch to Hetzner because they'd need to do "everything themselves". A managed Kubernetes instance would instantly make Hetzner an alternative for at least 75% of our customers. And honestly it's quite a cheap way to earn a bonus on your server instances. Edit: And if you do manged Kubernetes and managed Kafka Instances the number would…

Managed k8s also requires stateful services like storage, database and ingress/LB which I recommended Hetzner to build like 8 years ago (community).

Proof: https://forum.hetzner.com/index.php?thread/21421-docker-cont...

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