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Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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PragmaticPulp wrote: post #36
RjQoLCOSwiIKfpm wrote: post #22

Rinse aid is completely unneeded if you properly maintain and use your dishwasher. I never use any, and my dishes are completely spotless. 30 years old dishwasher, super hard water. Specifically, you should: - always fill the salt of the dishwasher's water softener once it's empty. It cannot soften the water if it doesn't get cleaned by the salt. If the water is not softened you will get spots. EDIT: Apparently US fo…

For everyone confused by this comment: In some countries you might find dishwashers with a sort of built-in water softener: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dishwasher_salt It's not common in the United States. Some all-in-one detergent packets might contain some amount of dishwasher salt, though.

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Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by modeless »

My son has eczema and food allergies and I did a lot of research on actions we could take to help prevent the so called "atopic march" to hay fever and asthma. There's a lot of woo-woo stuff out there that I think can be safely ignored, but I did find what I consider strong evidence that families that hand wash their dishes have significantly lower incidence of some allergic symptoms. I thought it sounded weird and I didn't know what the mechanism could be but the evidence looked so strong that we stopped using our dishwasher. I guess this is one potential mechanism.

Gas stoves and ovens are the other thing we stopped using, with good justification I think.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

nerdponx wrote: post #112
hardwaregeek wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m curious, did you ever try using less detergent? Like cutting one of those pouches in half? It’d be messy but maybe it’d work.

Don't use the damn pouches! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rBO8neWw04

A. Watch his follow up video. Where he talks about all he got wrong.

B. I recently switched to a more “natural” SevenGenerations pouch and holy crap it’s been excellent.

C. You can not buy anything but pods at two of my grocery stores. You need to go to Walmart near me to find any straight powder. Market has spoken right or wrong.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

hjadal wrote: post #114
hardwaregeek wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m curious, did you ever try using less detergent? Like cutting one of those pouches in half? It’d be messy but maybe it’d work.

Theres also liquid or powder detergent, which allows you to use a fitting amount for the dishwasher load.

Liquids have enzymes or bleach. They might have oxiclean instead of bleach but apparently the two best cleaning agents don’t exist in liquid together very well.

Powder is better. Pods are just powder.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by esaym »

Ok, so what do I use as a rinse aid then? I just dug all over amazon and pretty much everything has akoxylated alcohol or some form of polyoxypropylene laureth. And yes, I've purposely let the rinse aid run out just to see what happens. It wasn't pretty... Anyway to make something more "natural"? Some other ingredients I've seen include citric acid, urea, trisodium phosphate. But not sure if just mixing those together would work out....

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by SV_BubbleTime »

RjQoLCOSwiIKfpm wrote: post #22

Rinse aid is completely unneeded if you properly maintain and use your dishwasher. I never use any, and my dishes are completely spotless. 30 years old dishwasher, super hard water. Specifically, you should: - always fill the salt of the dishwasher's water softener once it's empty. It cannot soften the water if it doesn't get cleaned by the salt. If the water is not softened you will get spots. EDIT: Apparently US fo…

Clear European give away.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by D13Fd »

throwaway09223 wrote: post #110
yupis wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why don't you like the softener water? I thought it was better for the skin.

Softened water feels slimy to me - similar to seawater. I actually do have a whole-house softener which came with my house. I installed a bypass valve so it does not feed the pipes in my home.

It may be over-softening. Our water felt slimy until we replaced our old unit. The new unit uses way less salt (at least 10x less) and the water feels normal.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by kzrdude »

b20000 wrote: post #3

So what does this mean for all of us who buy coffee at coffee shops every morning? Will this cause serious problems long term since we are consuming residues of their dishwasher chemicals? One potential solution is to always get your coffee to go, but that probably only partly solves the problem.

You get paper mugs at some coffee shops. And at many you can ask to use your own reusable cup.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by tomjakubowski »

b20000 wrote: post #3

So what does this mean for all of us who buy coffee at coffee shops every morning? Will this cause serious problems long term since we are consuming residues of their dishwasher chemicals? One potential solution is to always get your coffee to go, but that probably only partly solves the problem.

Some shops will give you a discount if you bring your own mug. Ask your barista!

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Post by insane_dreamer »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #123
nerdponx wrote: post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Don't use the damn pouches! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rBO8neWw04

A. Watch his follow up video. Where he talks about all he got wrong. B. I recently switched to a more “natural” SevenGenerations pouch and holy crap it’s been excellent. C. You can not buy anything but pods at two of my grocery stores. You need to go to Walmart near me to find any straight powder. Market has spoken right or wrong.

We use dissolvable tablets (from Blueland) with all "natural" ingredients; can't vouch for how true the natural claim is, but we're happy with them and it's one way to reduce plastic; we also get their dissolvable tablets for hand soap, all purpose cleaners, glass cleaner, etc.
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