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Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Fill the salt? Configure for water hardness? I've never heard of either of these things before. Certainly not things on my, relatively fancy, dishwasher.

US consumers are easier to sell to, perhaps.

Except for the various ethnic groups who are very proud of not using their dishwasher at all.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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post #78

I suffered from chronic diarrhea for years which I attributed to Crohn's disease. This seemed obvious since diarrhea is a very common symptom of Crohn's, but its onset had been several years after I was diagnosed and prior to that I had tended more towards the opposite problem (constipation). I was thus always suspicious that the root cause lay elsewhere. After much experimenting I found that if I ran my dishwasher t…

I’m curious, did you ever try using less detergent? Like cutting one of those pouches in half? It’d be messy but maybe it’d work.

Don't use the damn pouches! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rBO8neWw04

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

#113
post #59

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For everyone confused by this comment: In some countries you might find dishwashers with a sort of built-in water softener: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dishwasher_salt It's not common in the United States. Some all-in-one detergent packets might contain some amount of dishwasher salt, though.

In my limited experience in the several places I've lived in the US, only one had an issue with water that was hard enough to need addressing. Most residences there had a dedicated household water softener, so even there the dishwashers didn't need to do their own softening. Here's a nice map [1] [1] https://homewater101.com/articles/hard-water-across-us

Another anecdote from the USA: I've only ever had problems with hard water in a house that got water from a well. Never had a problem with municipal water (although there are other contaminants in that).

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

#114
post #78

I suffered from chronic diarrhea for years which I attributed to Crohn's disease. This seemed obvious since diarrhea is a very common symptom of Crohn's, but its onset had been several years after I was diagnosed and prior to that I had tended more towards the opposite problem (constipation). I was thus always suspicious that the root cause lay elsewhere. After much experimenting I found that if I ran my dishwasher t…

I’m curious, did you ever try using less detergent? Like cutting one of those pouches in half? It’d be messy but maybe it’d work.

Theres also liquid or powder detergent, which allows you to use a fitting amount for the dishwasher load.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

#116
post #78

I suffered from chronic diarrhea for years which I attributed to Crohn's disease. This seemed obvious since diarrhea is a very common symptom of Crohn's, but its onset had been several years after I was diagnosed and prior to that I had tended more towards the opposite problem (constipation). I was thus always suspicious that the root cause lay elsewhere. After much experimenting I found that if I ran my dishwasher t…

I wonder about sulfates, specifically SLS (sodium lauryl sulfate - which has many whack-a-mole names). SLS is a surficant, and although not named in this study, it has been shown in other studies to interfere with mucous membranes (canker sores, etc)

I would wonder if that happens in the gut too.

It is in many things. toothpaste, shampoo, dishwasher and laundry detergents, and lots more

Since people are trying to avoid SLS, MANY tricky marketing synonyms have appeared to obfuscate ingredient lists:

https://chem.nlm.nih.gov/chemidplus/rn/151-21-3

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

#117
post #78

I suffered from chronic diarrhea for years which I attributed to Crohn's disease. This seemed obvious since diarrhea is a very common symptom of Crohn's, but its onset had been several years after I was diagnosed and prior to that I had tended more towards the opposite problem (constipation). I was thus always suspicious that the root cause lay elsewhere. After much experimenting I found that if I ran my dishwasher t…

I’m curious, did you ever try using less detergent? Like cutting one of those pouches in half? It’d be messy but maybe it’d work.

Or run half in the pre-wash cycle and the other in regular cycle.

Can also help to run/prime your hot water tap before starting cycle to start off with hot water (in places where it’s hooked up to hot).

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

US consumers are easier to sell to, perhaps.

Except for the various ethnic groups who are very proud of not using their dishwasher at all.

They use it alright (as a pantry/place to store dishes).

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

#119

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How... many... years ago? When I started cooking professionally in the 80s three-stage hand wash had already been required by health codes everywhere for decades. I've seen all kinds of shit but every kitchen at least has the setup and chemicals for that for health inspections if nothing else. In practice even the sketchiest restaurants will have quats even if they only fill it once a day.

GP is talking about a commercial dishwasher. You can't hand wash hot enough -- you'd get serious burns. So anything you hand wash needs the three-stage wash, rinse, sanitize process with detergent and chemical sanitizer.

Oh you're right, I misread it. Thanks.

Re: Gut epithelial barrier damage caused by dishwasher detergents and rinse aids

#120
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For everyone confused by this comment: In some countries you might find dishwashers with a sort of built-in water softener: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dishwasher_salt It's not common in the United States. Some all-in-one detergent packets might contain some amount of dishwasher salt, though.

In my limited experience in the several places I've lived in the US, only one had an issue with water that was hard enough to need addressing. Most residences there had a dedicated household water softener, so even there the dishwashers didn't need to do their own softening. Here's a nice map [1] [1] https://homewater101.com/articles/hard-water-across-us

Nice to be #1 in something. But that explains a lot.
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