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How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by hackerfromthefu »

ComradePhil wrote: post #14

Somehow people seem to believe that media became worse over time. No, that didn't happen. It's just that people found out exactly how the media works because they had access to the source material. I remember the Trump election cycle when they kept coming up with "the beginning of the end" for Trump by mis-reporting what he said in rallies, debates, speeches... only to find out that the supporters kept growing... bec…

The always on nature of online has made it worse, in the sense that the medium is the message and feedback algorithms can influence/control peoples state of mind, ala FB etc.

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Post by hackerfromthefu »

lordloki wrote: post #90
ComradePhil wrote: post #14

Somehow people seem to believe that media became worse over time. No, that didn't happen. It's just that people found out exactly how the media works because they had access to the source material. I remember the Trump election cycle when they kept coming up with "the beginning of the end" for Trump by mis-reporting what he said in rallies, debates, speeches... only to find out that the supporters kept growing... bec…

The media has become worse again. That doesn't mean that it was never this bad before. We're in a new age of yellow journalism.

Yeah, the parallels to the history of the McCarthyism era are worrying.

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by pandaman »

HWR_14 wrote: post #65
usednet wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All news pretends to be real factual news. When has Fox ever delegitimized their own journalism?

> When has Fox ever delegitimized their own journalism? In court. When their anchors get sued for slander.

Yeah, because the channel is called Fox News any rational person understands that shows like "Tucker Carlson Tonight", "Watter's World", or "Gutfeld!" are news and not entertainment/opinion. Same rational people are completely fine with trusting the legitimate news shows from respectable journalists on Comedy Central and HBO channels though.

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by roenxi »

edmundsauto wrote: post #101
roenxi wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And at what point does this foreign influence they purchase fit in to that plan? There were people who appeared to literally be claiming that Russians controlled the US presidency just a few years ago. The only change, I suppose, is when this bullshit "Russian influence" was at its peak the world was more peaceful. & that is a bit of a non-sequiter, but a major world power invades a minor one once every decade or so.…

The Russian influence was to further divide Americans against each other, by propping up candidates that would win due to such strong support from the fringes. These people would be distasteful to the other side and stir the shit. Without a coherent national response from the US, Russia would go in unopposed. This would have worked (see the early republicans response, and the democratic response to that which weakene…

> The Russian influence was to further divide Americans against each other...

The US is in a lot of trouble then, because most of the political class is in league with Russian goals. Republican & Democrat politics are famous for being divisive.

Us debate is a robust place, there is a lot of namecalling and contempt.

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Post by a257 »

travisgriggs wrote: post #23

I’ve been taking a note from the open source world. I like software free as in speech and free as in press. The only thing free about our press anymore is that they’re free to make money using whatever hyper optimized feedback loop gives the best profit margin. I no longer call it a free press, but instead a profit press. I reserve the term “free press” for news organizations that in practice or legal constitution ar…

Is a non-profit-based press necessarily a better thing? I'm not entirely convinced that FOSS-like press is the better alternative -- open source has its own fair share of problems.

When it comes to low-quality journalism today, I notice that most (if not all) of the notorious cases follow a pattern where the shttier the news the cheaper it is. Could it be that journalistic quality is proportional to the costs the reader has to pay?

If so, rather than seeking a news source untainted by monetary interests, wouldn't it be more productive to seek costly news sources with individual interests you are clearly aware of?

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Post by dc-programmer »

busterarm wrote: post #54
tus666 wrote: post #40

Isn't rollingstone part of the same "progressive" cabal? What made them eat their own today?

Eating their own is an intrinsic behavior. It's more like "What made them target CNN?" It looks like assigning responsibility for Trump and the fact that some women were victimized.

Maybe progressives aren’t willing to support their “own” unconditionally? These aren’t sports teams. Bad behavior hurts us all and should be called out regardless of it’s on your side or not

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by travisgriggs »

a257 wrote: post #126
travisgriggs wrote: post #23

I’ve been taking a note from the open source world. I like software free as in speech and free as in press. The only thing free about our press anymore is that they’re free to make money using whatever hyper optimized feedback loop gives the best profit margin. I no longer call it a free press, but instead a profit press. I reserve the term “free press” for news organizations that in practice or legal constitution ar…

Is a non-profit-based press necessarily a better thing? I'm not entirely convinced that FOSS-like press is the better alternative -- open source has its own fair share of problems. When it comes to low-quality journalism today, I notice that most (if not all) of the notorious cases follow a pattern where the shttier the news the cheaper it is. Could it be that journalistic quality is proportional to the costs the rea…

To be honest, I don’t know.

I’m not looking for “free as in beer” press. Journalism takes effort that is real and should be remunerated. Without that, all you get is people who have an incentive to broadcast their version of the truth based on some other feedback that usually boils down to propaganda/proselyting/evangelism.

What I’m looking for is to have the profit motive detached from the news. I was intrigued when Jon Huntsman bought the Salt Like Tribune and changed it to a non profit organization a couple of years ago. I’m not a regular reader of the Trib, since I live up in Washington state these days, so I don’t know if it’s made a real difference. I read the occasional article from it, and it seems less click baity and sensationalistic, but I couldn’t say that with any depth.

But I do think there is an irreconcilable conflict of interest when you want to publicize information AND make a profit from it. It’s been there for a long time, but the precision of analytics feedback has moved that conflict up a whole notch in the digital age.

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Post by bestnameever »

pauldenton wrote: post #43
Cederfjard wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would love to see examples of anything on CNN or MSNBC that approaches QAnon-levels of derangement.

Well there's the Russians under every bed paranoia Look how they treated Trump from the start. 2020 was the most secure election in American history. 2016 was stolen by secret Russian collusion, that even a multi year long Mueller probe was unable to find any connections or collusion. You can also find the limits on information through polling. Over half of fox News viewers believe that the US government found WMDs i…

> Russians under every bed paranoia

I always wonder how much that is a result of Trumps non-stop tweeting about it

> Over half of Democrats believe Russians hacked vote tallies and compromised voting machines in 2016

source?

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