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How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by edmundsauto »

roenxi wrote: post #51
jacquesm wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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And at what point does this foreign influence they purchase fit in to that plan? There were people who appeared to literally be claiming that Russians controlled the US presidency just a few years ago. The only change, I suppose, is when this bullshit "Russian influence" was at its peak the world was more peaceful. & that is a bit of a non-sequiter, but a major world power invades a minor one once every decade or so.…

The Russian influence was to further divide Americans against each other, by propping up candidates that would win due to such strong support from the fringes. These people would be distasteful to the other side and stir the shit.

Without a coherent national response from the US, Russia would go in unopposed. This would have worked (see the early republicans response, and the democratic response to that which weakened US focus on the invasion), except the rest of the world stepped up.

Maybe the last 6 years of US shitshow woke up the rest of the word to the fact they cannot count on America in quite the same way.

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by RobertMiller »

gman83 wrote: post #15
rnd0 wrote: post #6

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>They don't inform their viewers, they weaponize them. Just the same as Fox, just the same as OAN, just the same as RT, just the same as MSNBC, just the same as ...

Some of these are way worse than others, they're not at all comparable.

They're comparable, but not equivalent.

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by ComradePhil »

somenameforme wrote: post #74
ComradePhil wrote: post #14

Somehow people seem to believe that media became worse over time. No, that didn't happen. It's just that people found out exactly how the media works because they had access to the source material. I remember the Trump election cycle when they kept coming up with "the beginning of the end" for Trump by mis-reporting what he said in rallies, debates, speeches... only to find out that the supporters kept growing... bec…

"To your request of my opinion of the manner in which a newspaper should be conducted so as to be most useful, I should answer ‘by restraining it to true facts & sound principles only.’ yet I fear such a paper would find few subscribers. it is a melancholy truth that a suppression of the press could not more compleatly deprive the nation of it’s benefits, than is done by it’s abandoned prostitution to falsehood. noth…

> that for some very brief window in time we actually had a media with integrity and ethics, even if completely serendipitously

I would like to request you to entertain the possibility that the media became so powerful and influencial for a brief period that they convinced everyone of that idea... the information revolution just helped break the facade by democratising access to information... because of which their model of story-telling which was based on large uninformed masses (or masses homogenously disinformed with biased story-telling) no longer worked.

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by RobertMiller »

megaman821 wrote: post #63
PaywallBuster wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

in a way, Fox news is honest news. They were created (and everyone knows) to report from a "point of view" of the right. The "left wing" media pretend to be the only real/factual news/journalism, but can be just as biased and partisan, if not worse.

I agree. Fox News wears what it is on it's sleeve. CNN proports to be a fair, truthful source of news and very rarely outright lies to people, but there is too much missing context, misleading headlines, and late corrections. It takes too much mental energy to figure out what is worth paying attention to on CNN, it is easier to just ignore it.

Isn't Fox New's official slogan "Fair and Balanced"?

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by RobertMiller »

HWR_14 wrote: post #75
bogantech wrote: post #41

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Trump was a pied piper candidate. They all thought there was no way he would win the Election - he was supposed to make people not vote republican

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> And if he was supposed to make people not vote republican, why did the republicans nominate him?

The RNC did a poor job of rigging their own primary, and accidentally let the populist win? The DNC evidently had their act together in this regard, but I think it probably cost them the election.

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by empressplay »

fragmede wrote: post #99
roenxi wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And at what point does this foreign influence they purchase fit in to that plan? There were people who appeared to literally be claiming that Russians controlled the US presidency just a few years ago. The only change, I suppose, is when this bullshit "Russian influence" was at its peak the world was more peaceful. & that is a bit of a non-sequiter, but a major world power invades a minor one once every decade or so.…

Given that the current crisis has roots in Crimea, which happened under the previous president's watch, the reports of Russian influence are more believable than ever. Given that the president was bought and sold to hawk canned goods from the White House, the purchase price by the Russians must have been cheap!

Umm, Crimea was annexed during Obama's tenure.

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by megaman821 »

RobertMiller wrote: post #104
megaman821 wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree. Fox News wears what it is on it's sleeve. CNN proports to be a fair, truthful source of news and very rarely outright lies to people, but there is too much missing context, misleading headlines, and late corrections. It takes too much mental energy to figure out what is worth paying attention to on CNN, it is easier to just ignore it.

Isn't Fox New's official slogan "Fair and Balanced" ?

If CNN is so neutral why do you assume that if I am against them that I like Fox News. News isn't a fucking red team vs blue team sport. I just want a good non-partisan news source. Fox News is terrible but CNN and MSNBC seem to be racing to be them.

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by RobertMiller »

megaman821 wrote: post #107
RobertMiller wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Isn't Fox New's official slogan "Fair and Balanced" ?

If CNN is so neutral why do you assume that if I am against them that I like Fox News. News isn't a fucking red team vs blue team sport. I just want a good non-partisan news source. Fox News is terrible but CNN and MSNBC seem to be racing to be them.

I.... what?

I didn't say CNN is neutral, I don't believe that. Nor have I assumed you like Fox News, I didn't insinuate anything of the sort. All I'm saying is Fox News does not wear what they are on their sleeve; they purport to be "fair and balanced" which is plainly a lie.

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by DoctorOW »

choko wrote: post #77
RobertMiller wrote: post #18

Cable news is a waste. Anything worth hearing about will be written up by a newspaper. And with newspapers now having websites, cable news doesn't even have an immediacy advantage. The only thing cable news can do better than newspapers is show you live footage of something happening, but that's good for little but gawking at. And if you really must get CNN's take on things, https://lite.cnn.com/en is much better tha…

Local news isn't much better. Most of the outlets are owned by the same people.

It really depends who owns the station. I've seen great work from Nexstar stations. So far, the stories I've seen from their approach to cable news, NewsNation aren't bad. They might get more CNN like as they approach 24 hour coverage.

Edit: I work for a competitor to Nexstar who overall does very good work but I wouldn't recommend to avoid a conflict of interest.

Re: How CNN's Jeff Zucker and His Cronies Manipulated the News

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Post by coolso »

Cederfjard wrote: post #35
GlassKingdom wrote: post #34

Some of the opinion pieces on CNN and MSNBC (Maddow etc) are basically left-wing version of Qanon. Whilst FoxNews gets rightly criticized when voicing such nonsense, the more liberal channels get a free pass. It’s wildly divisive and has severely damaged society over the last 5 years. But CNN and MSNBC got their ad-clicks, which I guess is the important thing.

I would love to see examples of anything on CNN or MSNBC that approaches QAnon-levels of derangement.

I mean, all Trump had to do was sneeze and CNN, MSNBC, NYT all worked themselves into a furious seethe for the next two weeks about how that sneeze was literally basically Hitler and that’s it, that’s the final straw, the world is coming to a literal end now because he’s an unhinged fascist dictator or something.

Mind you this is all coming from “respected” and “establishment-accepted” news organizations to boot.

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