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Someone should probably start a bright home lighting company (2019)

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Re: Someone should probably start a bright home lighting company (2019)

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I have done something like this myself. I did the simpler thing of simply buying a single 150W high lumen high lux LED bulb. It's very bright. It's maybe an 70% solution.

The other hack you can find is to look at "warehouse" lights or outdoor flood lights. Those things are very powerful on their own.

Re: Someone should probably start a bright home lighting company (2019)

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Since the OP is quite courageous about claiming someone "inventing" this in 2017, I'd like to highlight your prior art: > Been using one of those in my office for the last eight years or so. I use a server PSU for power. And as you mention, articles on it have been circulating for even longer.

Yudkowsky says he and his wife did it in 2014, so it sounds as if it was actually pretty much at the same time as said prior art. (Also, they were specifically doing it as a treatment for SAD ; I don't think Yudkowsky claims novelty for anything other than the idea that SAD might be effectively treated by having very bright indoor lighting all the time rather than e.g. a lightbox that you sit next to for half an hour…

Light as a treatment for SAD has been looked at since 1984, all day exposure is hardly a new idea.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapsychiatry/article-abst...

Re: Someone should probably start a bright home lighting company (2019)

#123

This has been applied for decades. Those 'ceiling windows' in art galleries are often false windows with bright daylight lamps beneath it. By the way, the sun produces ~50.000 lux on earth's surface. That's 100 times more than in a wall illuminated office. To reach that brightness, you would need tens of kilowatts of LED lightning for medium and larger sized rooms. That's totally infeasible. Also, imagine the heat bu…

It doesn't need to be the whole room. Just a small patch would feel like having a skylight with the sun pouring in.

Re: Someone should probably start a bright home lighting company (2019)

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From the article: >Elevator pitch: Bring enough light to simulate daylight into your home and office. >This idea has been shared in Less Wrong circles for a couple years. Yudkowsky wrote Inadequate Equilibria in 2017 where he and his wife invented the idea

Yes, I read the same article. Do you believe, based on a single word, that the author believes that literally zero people in the entire course of human history have ever suggested “brighter lights” until Yudkowsky came along?

I don't know who any of these people are, but that is exactly what the article says, so why should we not believe that that's what the author believes?

Re: Someone should probably start a bright home lighting company (2019)

#125

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This kind of utter gibberish is exactly why people don't take LessWrong seriously.

“Ideas can be harmful” is gibberish?

Now you've just generalised the statement until it becomes a truism. So you are now essentially claiming the statement is garbage because it is devoid of useful meaning.

Re: Someone should probably start a bright home lighting company (2019)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the article: >Elevator pitch: Bring enough light to simulate daylight into your home and office. >This idea has been shared in Less Wrong circles for a couple years. Yudkowsky wrote Inadequate Equilibria in 2017 where he and his wife invented the idea

Yes, I read the same article. Do you believe, based on a single word, that the author believes that literally zero people in the entire course of human history have ever suggested “brighter lights” until Yudkowsky came along?

No one in the parent posts has said anything about "literally zero people".

The OP made a claim ("invented in 2017"), and this very claim is being criticized.

I found perplexing that you interpret the very same words in almost opposite ways.

Re: Someone should probably start a bright home lighting company (2019)

#127

It’s not that crazy of an idea especially in winter when SAD is worst and any extra power you waste in your house heats it so it isn’t really wasted. One of my favorite places on earth is my marijuana grow and the incredible amount of beautiful light they grow under. I’ve contemplated a scaled down version in my house. I could grow plants all over the place under the lighting like being outside, no matter what the se…

According to what I've found, grow lights can emit enough UV rays to make them (unfortunately) a non-starter for inside your home.

Re: Someone should probably start a bright home lighting company (2019)

#128
I always wanted to build a "periscope windows".

Have a large light-gathering lens on the outside, then focus the rays into a much thiner "sun tunnel", bring them underground (in the same shaft as the water and heating pipes), then expand the rays into a fake window. If this was possible it would completely change the way we build homes, we could have many underground floors with "periscope windows" and a towers of light gathering lenses on the roof.

Unfortunately this is not physically possible, not just a real picture but not even the light can be made parallel this way. (Maybe some quantum tech will make this possible one day.)

Re: Someone should probably start a bright home lighting company (2019)

#129

If you have Hue lights, make sure to upgrade to the new generation that just came out. It's much brighter. The color ones were sold out, but I found it worthwhile to upgrade even though I can't make them blue anymore. Otherwise, Cree is one of the best home bulb brands.

Cree is a good choice. The 'smart' versions of their bulbs are also convenient for if you want to set it to 'daylight' 5000k during the day---it looks better (IMHO) in a room that gets some natural light during the day---and change it to a warmer temp at night.

Re: Someone should probably start a bright home lighting company (2019)

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While Elizer certainly didn't invent the thing, just read the references he cites. He was right that its a pain in the ass to build and that pretty much all solutions available are no where near bright enough despite claiming otherwise. Expense and heat, which is really just more expense, aren't the only issues though. Assuming the premise that its good for health, another issue is that we do not know if the health effects require us to match the spectrum. Notably the reliable research on the topic I have read have always used number of hours outdoors in sunlight, not some contraption. He thinks it worked for his wife, but someone depressed is very likely to support their loved ones delusions that their personal effortful attempt to help worked, and if that loved one is persistent and persuasive, often delude themselves into thinking that. Either way, it would be a single sample. Research is very much needed, and building such a rig is a fun project and a great way to learn exactly how much effect your house control systems really allow.
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