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Someone should probably start a bright home lighting company (2019)

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Re: Someone should probably start a bright home lighting company (2019)

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This has been applied for decades. Those 'ceiling windows' in art galleries are often false windows with bright daylight lamps beneath it. By the way, the sun produces ~50.000 lux on earth's surface. That's 100 times more than in a wall illuminated office. To reach that brightness, you would need tens of kilowatts of LED lightning for medium and larger sized rooms. That's totally infeasible. Also, imagine the heat bu…

does that also include infra red/non visible parts of the spectrum? sorry I'm not familiar with the unit involved

No, lux is based on lumen and itself founded on the human perception of light using the luminous efficiency function.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luminous_efficiency_function

Re: Someone should probably start a bright home lighting company (2019)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since the OP is quite courageous about claiming someone "inventing" this in 2017, I'd like to highlight your prior art: > Been using one of those in my office for the last eight years or so. I use a server PSU for power. And as you mention, articles on it have been circulating for even longer.

It's Yudkowsky from LessWrong, he is actually a quite insightful thinker, but his disciples claim stuff like this all the time . LessWrong is an extreme echo chamber. For me the breaking point was Roko's Basilisk, a self-proclaimed "most-dangerous idea of our time".

Are you honestly claiming that the author believes that Yudkowsky was literally the first person in history to suggest making lights brighter?

Also, you should read anything Yudkowsky himself has written about Roko’s basilisk. He’s never claimed that it could work, or that it’s dangerous at all.

(“Why did he ban it then?” Because he wanted to prevent it from inspiring an infohazard brainstorming session that could produce a real danger, and he apparently hadn’t heard about the Streisand effect.)

Re: Someone should probably start a bright home lighting company (2019)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's Yudkowsky from LessWrong, he is actually a quite insightful thinker, but his disciples claim stuff like this all the time . LessWrong is an extreme echo chamber. For me the breaking point was Roko's Basilisk, a self-proclaimed "most-dangerous idea of our time".

Are you honestly claiming that the author believes that Yudkowsky was literally the first person in history to suggest making lights brighter? Also, you should read anything Yudkowsky himself has written about Roko’s basilisk. He’s never claimed that it could work, or that it’s dangerous at all. (“Why did he ban it then?” Because he wanted to prevent it from inspiring an infohazard brainstorming session that could pr…

Yudkowsky claimed that the exact basilisk as described by Roko wouldn't work, but he also believes that something like it would.

Re: Someone should probably start a bright home lighting company (2019)

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If you ever wondered what makes LED lights feel great: it's the strategic mixing of LEDs with different characteristics. Here's a free tool that helps designing such fixtures: https://www.meerkatblog.com/ledmixing

I'm confused - most LED will not make you feel great (unlike incandescent light) - on the contrary, you have to put in a lot of effort to get decent light from LEDs.

Re: Someone should probably start a bright home lighting company (2019)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's Yudkowsky from LessWrong, he is actually a quite insightful thinker, but his disciples claim stuff like this all the time . LessWrong is an extreme echo chamber. For me the breaking point was Roko's Basilisk, a self-proclaimed "most-dangerous idea of our time".

Are you honestly claiming that the author believes that Yudkowsky was literally the first person in history to suggest making lights brighter? Also, you should read anything Yudkowsky himself has written about Roko’s basilisk. He’s never claimed that it could work, or that it’s dangerous at all. (“Why did he ban it then?” Because he wanted to prevent it from inspiring an infohazard brainstorming session that could pr…

From the article:

>Elevator pitch: Bring enough light to simulate daylight into your home and office.

>This idea has been shared in Less Wrong circles for a couple years. Yudkowsky wrote Inadequate Equilibria in 2017 where he and his wife invented the idea

Re: Someone should probably start a bright home lighting company (2019)

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DIY Perks [1] has a good tutorial on how to make a super bright LED panel from LED strips. Quite easily, actually. Been using one of those in my office for the last eight years or so. I use a server PSU for power. I was surprised to see how bright it is when I once went outside while it was on. Not only was my window the brightest in the entire street by far. But it actually illuminated the trees around my window. If…

Since the OP is quite courageous about claiming someone "inventing" this in 2017, I'd like to highlight your prior art: > Been using one of those in my office for the last eight years or so. I use a server PSU for power. And as you mention, articles on it have been circulating for even longer.

Yudkowsky says he and his wife did it in 2014, so it sounds as if it was actually pretty much at the same time as said prior art.

(Also, they were specifically doing it as a treatment for SAD; I don't think Yudkowsky claims novelty for anything other than the idea that SAD might be effectively treated by having very bright indoor lighting all the time rather than e.g. a lightbox that you sit next to for half an hour a day.)

Re: Someone should probably start a bright home lighting company (2019)

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I take a hobby interest in lighting as design and art, and probably have more lamps than I should have. My personal view is that it's not really an area that is being ignored. There are a lot of companies in this space developing new lighting.

One thing that concerns me about investing a lot into current LED lighting is that it seems like the tech is still evolving. At least that is my impression. I don't really like tech that gives the illusion that it will last a long time but ends up useless after 2 years. I see some really interesting lighting designs but it's all built into the lamp---does this mean lamps, usually a durable good, are just disposable units now? LEDs are supposed to fade over time---what do you do with a perfectly good standard bulb that's producing 25% less light? It still takes up an entire lamp socket. If it's a whole unit, that's a footprint in your home occupying space producing significantly less output.

Some LED bulbs I bought a few years ago are basically outdated in terms of light quality. I think my favorite bulb that I've tried is by Cree. People don't often believe that the difference is noticeable but when I swap out bulbs of various types they can notice how much better a room feels or the colors pop more.

You also can't buy several 'bright home' sunlight level lights cheaply just to see what looks better, so I wonder if this might be an area that keeps brick and mortar lighting stores or sections relevant.

Then there's also the environmental concern of eliminating any of the gains of reduced power consumption by buying more powerful LED bulbs that consume just as much electricity.

Another aside: If you're bored, playing around with lighting in Unreal Engine 5 is pretty fun. UE5 seems very impressive.

Re: Someone should probably start a bright home lighting company (2019)

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I take a hobby interest in lighting as design and art, and probably have more lamps than I should have. My personal view is that it's not really an area that is being ignored. There are a lot of companies in this space developing new lighting. One thing that concerns me about investing a lot into current LED lighting is that it seems like the tech is still evolving. At least that is my impression. I don't really like…

IKEA has these backlit fake windows they use in store displays in their curtain section. I wish they would sell the fake windows as well. The light actually looks natural.
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