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Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by droithomme »

eli wrote: post #36
nhangen wrote: post #6

I just bought it because I expected the free upgrade, and was patiently waiting. I don't plan on paying for it again.

Not be a jerk, but if you didn't plan on using Textmate in the mean time, why didn't you wait for 2.0 to come out before buying it?

It's a known problem to preannounce next generation products. Once you announce that the next generation is coming out soon, the value of the current version is discounted in people's minds. Hm, should I buy the 2011 model now, or wait a couple months for the 2012 model. The problem is when, unlike car models, the 2012 model doesn't come out when one expected and is indefinitely delayed. This can put a company in a position where sales dramatically slow down because people are waiting for the imminent next release, but the release is not forthcoming. More than one company has gone under in this conundrum. The solution to extricate oneself from the mess is to announce that the next version is free for all purchasers of the current one. Then people waiting for the next version will say hey why not I will get the current one while I am waiting rather than wait. These people only purchased because they were assured they were really buying the next version, and the current one was to tide them over. It is similar to when you buy a car and it is delayed so the dealer gives you a loaner car until it arrives. Customers would be quite disappointed, having bought a car and lent a loaner, to find that the dealer felt the loaner was good enough for them and if they want the car they bought they should pay a second time.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by georgeott »

johnohara wrote: post #80

This is somewhat OT but I've used EditPlus under Windows for almost eight years and have paid $35 twice -- v2 and v3. Same with FileZilla. When it's worth it, it's worth it. a lot of people feel the same way about TextMate.

Also OT, but, as a PC guy who LOVES EditPlus, is Textmate similar in features?

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by scottschulthess »

burgerbrain wrote: post #88
phillmv wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't mind me asking, why on earth would you do that? 1. Your existing copy of TextMate will continue to work just fine 2. Have you used MacVim recently? Assuming TM2 has a totally painless upgrade path from TM1, you will be spending weeks getting used to vim. Surely, it is cheaper to invest in TM2.

"you will be spending weeks getting used to vim." How in the world would that even be possible? Give it a weekend at most .

Depends on how you approach it, but, if you are particular, it can take weeks to get everything setup.

First you have to learn a lot about vim and what it does.

Then you have to memorize the all the shortcuts for all the stuff, there are quite a few.

Then muscle memory those.

For me personally, there are about 10 plugins I use regularly that don't ship with vim, that I had to discover and learn how to use. So you have to run into an issue, discover its not in vim core, see if there is a plugin, pick a plugin, install it, learn how to use it, etc.

Then there is configuring vim to do all the stuff you want.

MacVim + Janus.vim helps a ton, but even so, there is tons more stuff to learn about vim to do your daily tasks than there is probably anything else in programming

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by alnayyir »

gecko wrote: post #13

I have a lot of trouble understanding this mentality. I totally get paying when you don't have to in order to support fellow developers. I've got a nice collection of apps on my phone and desktop, all purchased, that I've acquired over the years to support my friends' development efforts. So if Marco wants to help out Macromates, that's fine. More power to him. But I don't understand this mantra of, "We'll forgive yo…

>What am I missing here?

vimtutor or Emacs info-pages so you're no longer dependent on commercial entities for the cornerstone of your tools.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by phillmv »

burgerbrain wrote: post #97
phillmv wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Two days just to get used to it. On and off experimentation for the right set of plugins, eventually getting a good vimrc. A very long time before you get proficient. A hyperbole, no doubt, but vim is way harder to use than TM.

I think you mean "harder to learn" .

Nope! Harder to use. It's basically impossible to discover new functionality in vim without reading technical documentation for it, whereas in Textmate I assume (having never used it) that feature is accessible using a mouse.

TM is more usable than vim.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by LVB »

phillmv wrote: post #60
vtail wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's very likely that the original promise ("upgrade to version 2.0 will be completely free") was a huge factor in 2.0 shipping delay: Allan would need to invest a lot of effort to ship the new version to get only marginal return, as TextMate penetration of the relevant market was already high at the time the promise was made. Charging for 2.0 would seem like a breach of contract for people who only bought TextMate 1…

I can't believe there are so many cheapskates in here. It's $60! WHO CARES! It's a tool you presumably use every single hour of your programming life . I refuse to accept that you feel personally violated over an idiot promise the author made six years ago. Are people really saying that if the dude came out and said, "Hey guys, it's done but… if I keep my original promise, I literally won't be able to afford the band…

For me it has zero to do with me wanting or not wanting to pay for TM2. I was simply put off by Marco's presumption to speak on behalf of everyone, "We will not hold you to it... Please let us give you more money."

Had the post been just his own offer of support and words of encouragement it would have been quite nice, but instead it ended up being a bit irritating to me.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by racerrick »

gecko wrote: post #13

I have a lot of trouble understanding this mentality. I totally get paying when you don't have to in order to support fellow developers. I've got a nice collection of apps on my phone and desktop, all purchased, that I've acquired over the years to support my friends' development efforts. So if Marco wants to help out Macromates, that's fine. More power to him. But I don't understand this mantra of, "We'll forgive yo…

It's like taxes... you can always pay more if you want to!

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by kylec »

Back when I pirated TextMate 1 (probably in 2006 or so) I told myself that I'd pay for it when 2.0 came out. I still plan to, though I'll admit that it's been longer than I thought it would be.

Re: I want to pay for TextMate 2

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Post by phillmv »

xiaoma wrote: post #92
phillmv wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bro, c'mon now. I hate using this argument, but if you can afford a macbook you can definitely pony up $60 for your main development tool . Dude's running a business, not a charity. Shit, I use vim. If you're so screwed for cash there are a couple of first class alternatives. EDIT: I use a macbook too. I think it's a great dev platform. It only represents about 5% of my yearly income, though. I doubt I'd be using it…

The macbook I use cost about the same as my current monthly salary and is probably equivalent to 4-6 months of discretionary spending. It's not technically mine, either. It belongs to the company I work for. Call me a "cheapskate" if you will, but there's no way I'd pay $60 USD for a text editor with the promise of a free upgrade, and then pay $60 again when the seller decided to renege on that promise. You make a lo…

>It's not technically mine, either. It belongs to the company I work for.

Well, then you're probably not paying for your own licenses either. Ask your company dept to put in for a license.

>The macbook I use cost about the same as my current monthly salary. You make a lot of money. Good for you.

Well, then that means that it represents 8% of your yearly income instead of my 5%.

I live in Canada; I suspect my cost of living is higher than yours. Blah, blah, etc. What'shisface lives in an expensive country and he doesn't have an effective way to segment the market so you can get a discount.

The point just is that what'shisface made a mistake and considering the role the tool has in your workflow that it's reasonable for him to renegue on his 6 year old promise just so he can keep putting food on his table and continue to produce more updates.

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