This is pure bullshit of the highest order. The science is crystal fucking clear: no one is dying from COVID![0] [0] - https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=over...
Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory
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Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory
#122I would be very happy if my government did the same. What a relief it would be! It's a public health measure, like public sanitation requirements, and driving a car that meets safety requirements. Unvaccinated people should be free to do whatever they want, short of risking infecting other people. Your freedom ends where your fist ends and my nose begins.
That sounds like you're getting scammed,bro
Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory
#123I would be very happy if my government did the same. What a relief it would be! It's a public health measure, like public sanitation requirements, and driving a car that meets safety requirements. Unvaccinated people should be free to do whatever they want, short of risking infecting other people. Your freedom ends where your fist ends and my nose begins.
Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
I might be working from old info here but my understanding is that vaccination reduces the ICU burden. Assuming that's still good info, is it totally unreasonable to blame the unvaccinated for ICU overload?
Yes because no effort was made to increase ICU capacity which was continues to be the biggest issue
Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory
#125Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
So true and not mentioned enough by the media. The fact that we lost more than 4000 ICU beds over last year (during the Corona pandemic!!) because of personnel shortage is mind-boggling. Instead of rewarding those who worked these horrible jobs and maybe attract new workers with better conditions (e.g. more holidays), better pay or tax reduction, our politicians did campaigning and ignored the upcoming winter. Now th…
With exponential spread, the actual number of ICU beds really doesn't matter, because whatever you've got will be overwhelmed across a similar timeframe anyway. The only way to actually fix the problem is to get the R-value below 1, which requires mass vaccinations.
Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory
#127I am also starting to think this country is not really built to work in a crisis like this. Regulations are maybe good in general, but this tendency to regulate every possible detail does not work when you have to change the rules every month because almost nobody really knows how to fix this.
Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory
#128What we're seeing here is one of the wealthiest countries in the world with a population of > 80M people crumbling over a few thousand ICU patients because of long-standing issues that were never addressed. The staffing problems in hospitals (and nursing homes) have existed much longer than Covid. I heard a lot about them myself when I did my FSJ (volunteer work) back in 2004, and it's only gotten worse since then. O…
Yeah, there are issues with staffing and inadequate payment of the staff, sure, and those problems are long-standing and unresolved, but even if they were solved that wouldn’t be much of a help.
We would then maybe talk about a couple thousand (here in the literal sense) beds in terms of increasing ICU capacity, if that (simply because it’s not as though Germany’s existing ICU capacity is somehow ridiculously small, it’s quite large, actually if you put it in context and adding a couple thousand beds would be a massive increase). That would be helpful but wouldn’t really solve the underlying problem.
And either way: Increasing ICU capacity right now is not a solution. It’s completely misguided. Not least of which because it takes forever to increase capacity. You have to train people for that …
Unvaccinated people are to blame for this, but especially cowardly politicians who were too frightened to start implementing vaccination mandates right away (summer 2021), as soon as it was clear that you cannot reach good enough vaccination numbers just based on pleas alone.
We do have a solution for this and the solution is vaccination. However, in the very short term even that won’t be good enough, we need to break the 4th wave and for that contact reduction is necessary (and already happening).
Think about time frames.
Contact reduction, will show its effects within a couple weeks, vaccination mandates plus a logistical push for booster vaccinations, will show their effects within one month to three months, making healthcare more resilient in general, will show its effects within a couple of years, maybe a decade.
Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory
#129This is pure bullshit of the highest order. The science is crystal fucking clear: no one is dying from COVID![0] [0] - https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=over...
Can you explain what you mean? The link you provided shows over 150k deaths in the UK alone.
Plus, the stats only show deaths with covid on the certificate. That means they could have died from something else.
This whole thing is a farce. A charade.
Make no mistake: they're coming for your children.
Also, there are approximately 450 deaths per day from cancer - where is the government push to fix that?[1]
[1] - https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/health-professional/cancer-...
Re: Germany locks down unvaccinated people, as leaders plan to make shots compulsory
#130Earlier quoted context omitted.
So true and not mentioned enough by the media. The fact that we lost more than 4000 ICU beds over last year (during the Corona pandemic!!) because of personnel shortage is mind-boggling. Instead of rewarding those who worked these horrible jobs and maybe attract new workers with better conditions (e.g. more holidays), better pay or tax reduction, our politicians did campaigning and ignored the upcoming winter. Now th…
I might be working from old info here but my understanding is that vaccination reduces the ICU burden. Assuming that's still good info, is it totally unreasonable to blame the unvaccinated for ICU overload?