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The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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Post by coldtea »

standardUser wrote: post #100
spectramax wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a distraction and diversion from the original comment. Hollywood is not at the scale of the internet. Some privileged people got cancelled in Hollywood, who cares. When a hard working person gets cancelled by saying something stupid, the consequences are back breaking.

Forget Hollywood. Imagine trying to build the career of your choice as a black person, or a woman or an out gay person in that same era. Society was casually blacklisting the literal majority of Americans from most professional realms.

Yes, but that was the case for most of history, and America (and the world) at the time did it progressively less and less (first the abolition of slavery, then women right to vote, civil rights, de-seggregation, and so on).

Whereas today it's a new phenomenon, that gets progressively worse even though the problems you've mentioned (regarding blacks, women, gays, etc) are at their historical lower point.

So while America was progressing then, this is a regression now.

And it also affects blacks, women, gays, lesbians, republicans, demoracts, old-style lefties, and so on -- all of those categories have had members cancelled or mob-attacked for wrong opinions... (even someone like Dave Chappelle, who is a comedian of all things, has been attacked on such grounds).

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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Post by switchbak »

dudul wrote: post #84
wussboy wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is one of the primary reasons I stay off of social media. There is not forgetting, no opportunity to learn and grow and change and develop.

What's gonna happen when having social media accounts in good standing is required to open a bank account, or take a loan or get an insurance?

You're getting downvoted here, but at border crossings often you'll be asked for social media access. I don't think it's that far off the mark.

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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Post by spaetzleesser »

andrepd wrote: post #107
cm2187 wrote: post #82

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And the worst is kids. If you think you can go off track and say dumb things as an adult, think of the 14yo self. I thank God I was a teenager before the modern internet. There is no forgiveness. The doors of college education can be shut on a whim for a bad joke. Where and when I grew up, your political opinion was irrelevant to your college admission. You didn't have to demonstrate your committment to the polical c…

> Where and when I grew up, your political opinion was irrelevant to your college admission. You didn't have to demonstrate your committment to the polical cause of the moment to apply. And... is this the case today? Do universities exclude your application or scrutinise your political beliefs?

I have heard from interns that colleges want to see engagement for social justice or diversity causes during the application process.

I have also heard that for research grants you need to show “diversity and inclusion” efforts. One guy I talked to from a Nevada school said these are often won by rich colleges who are almost purely white but know how to talk diversity whereas poorer colleges that are actually way more diverse don’t rate well on the diversity and inclusion scale.

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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Post by silisili »

nixpulvis wrote: post #47

Let's use Gender as a quick example, why not? A few years ago, I couldn't have said I thought about it at all. For better and for worse, it wasn't part of the discourse. Now, I'm not all that different, yet it comes up again and again. I'm often forced to choose a side, even when it's all hypotheticals and virtues. I feel forced because online media is permanent, each statement is my closing argument. When the litiga…

Perhaps it's where I live, but for me - it's just the internet. It doesn't have any resemblance to my reality. As someone who's been on the internet since a teen, watched it evolve, etc, it makes me kinda sad. Because I feel forced out. But that's ok.

As online communities, emboldened really by tech companies themselves, try to gain control by silencing dissent via mob behavior or 'canceling', I just find myself leaving. And in doing so make both myself and presumably the community happier for it. Take a walk in the park, or go sit on the beach a while. Make small talk with people walking by. In doing all this, I realize I never meet or see the type people who are so 'in control' and loud and/or threatening online. Most people seem friendly enough in person.

So my questions become - are these people even real? Do they live somewhere I'm just unfamiliar with? Or did the internet give them some loud voice that otherwise doesn't exist in person? Why are these voices the loudest - does controversy really sell this well? Is social media purposefully putting controversial things on the forefront because it increases engagement?

Not actually expecting answers, just rambling really - apologies.

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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Post by scarmig »

enchiridion wrote: post #120
virgil_disgr4ce wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait where do you have to "demonstrate your committment to the polical cause of the moment" to apply to college

For grad school across fields a statement supporting “equity and inclusion” is becoming the norm. While this does not sound political, the use of the word “equity” vs “equality” is political. Specifically, equity explicitly entails redistributing resources based on lack of privilege. This is instead of equality, which entails providing everyone with the same resources and opportunity. Now we are left with question of…

And, if people are wondering if these statements are evaluated in a particular way, you can view a typical rubric here:

https://ofew.berkeley.edu/recruitment/contributions-diversit...

Which speaks for itself.

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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Post by Melting_Harps »

100011_100001 wrote: post #9
Melting_Harps wrote: post #6

Was social media ever really anything but an echo chamber that sought to recreate the mob mentality of collective lynching for dissenting voices? I mean cancel culture and wokeness have made it clear that seems like the means and methods to create (coerced) consensus amongst an incredibly vocal minority. I'm less troubled with conformity, many Societies throughout the World have made that a part of the Social Contrac…

You make it sound like this only happens on the democratic side. Republicans have similar echo chambers. I think conformity happens within circles. Then it's a question how big the circle is. I agree with your main concern though, online vs real life credit systems.

> You make it sound like this only happens on the democratic side. Republicans have similar echo chambers.

I'm not succumbing to the folly to believe that such a false paradigm (Left v Right) is anything but a dichotomy that people continue to think is separate; while wokeness may be often attributed to the Left, but I think it's clear that both sides seek the same goals which is to enforce self-censorship (University campus on Sex/Gender) or impose an archaic notion about self-ownership where the State determines what you can and cannot do to your own body (abortion).

So, to be clear: I don't think their is a discernible difference between those two entities enough to make such an argument.

I don't think conformity is a natural byproduct in a free and tolerant Society; what I do believe is natural and spontaneous in Nature is order, often by incentivized consensus.

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Post by woodruffw »

c0m wrote: post #91
woodruffw wrote: post #54

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> Pretty rich, coming out of an organization that assaulted and chased Vincent Canfield out of CCC for . . . . owning trollish domain names. Are you sure it wasn't him being an open and virulent racist[1]? Edit: I should say that I have the dubious distinction of actually haven spoken to vc for several years on IRC. He might have started as a troll, but he's failed in the way that every bad troll fails: by getting hi…

If he's an open and virulent racist you should have better proof than a twitter account. I read all the tweets he made this year. He posts on Gab, posted a clip from an offensively named Danish satire film, and generally seems about as unpleasant as I'd expect for someone who owns the type of domains he owns but he does not seem to be openly racist. If you're going to label someone as an "open and virulent racist" yo…

> If he's an open and virulent racist you should have better proof than a twitter account.

Sure.

Here's vc calling someone who isn't nonwhite a "creature" and implying that they would discriminate against whites[1].

Here's vc hanging out with a bunch of people wearing white nationalist apparel and holding a sign that references a racist meme[2].

> It's unwise to make such extraordinary claims without evidence beyond "trust me bro", particularly on an account linked to your real-life identity as this could reasonably be seen as libellous if it's untrue.

I fortunately live in a country with strong protections against frivolous libel and defamation claims. What an ironic threat to make!

[1]: https://twitter.com/gexcolo/status/1441549739087048708

[2]: https://twitter.com/gexcolo/status/1307057430761738252

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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Post by rndgermandude »

jstanley wrote: post #20
blueflow wrote: post #15

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Bonus Point: The CrewCrew (Congress Security) is a barely documented all-female "security" gang. Men are not allowed to join. There are rumors that the President of the CCC controls it directly. Questions of accountability are still not answered.

Are you sure? I couldn't find any relevant results for "CrewCrew" in the context of the Chaos Communications Congress.

I am not agreeing with the tinfoil "controlled by the CCC president" rhetoric, but a lot of CCC events including their Congress indeed use an all female (identity) volunteer group calling itself "CrewCrew" as security.

They are known to be a bit "paranoid" sometimes, can act "overly aggressive" sometimes and like to disguise their faces during "enforcement". That said, I did not have first hand interactions with them, so that's just my impression of them seeing them around and some hearsay from people who had minor interactions with them.

But they do not seem very accountable, and they are in my humble opinion a bit of a sore on the otherwise very well organized Congress. Especially considering this in the context of the CCC, who for years ran and runs campaigns for more police accountability.

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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Post by lotsofpulp »

mc32 wrote: post #89
lotsofpulp wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This would translate to do not leave the bathroom in the US, or at least do not go outside your abode.

Ironically enough, A senatress from Arizona got accosted to a bathroom with video phone cameras in order to convince (bully) her into a position.

What is the purpose of using a different word for a man senator and a woman senator?

Re: The reputation economy is turning us into conformists (2017) [video]

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Post by mostertoaster »

It’s why Kanye’s Donda album is somewhat genius.

He has a song “Jail”, talking about how someone got pulled over and is going to jail simply because they have priors. I see this as a reference somewhat alluding to the aftermath of George Floyd, if you’ve been convicted of a crime it is now ok in our society for police to treat you poorly.

A right winger might cringe at that, but then applaud that in a remix of the song he brings in Da Baby, to give the finger to cancel culture.

What he is doing though is pointing out how tRey are related.

Essentially saying if you think cancel culture is wrong then you should also be opposed to someone’s prior convictions causing them to be treated poorly, and if you think it is wrong what happens to those with priors, you shouldn’t be promoting a cancel culture.

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