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Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by advanced-DnD »

concinds wrote: post #49

This article doesn't mention the fact that Apple lied, and that Tim Cook "promised" in court that Epic would be let back in the app store if they promised to comply with the rules. Epic made that exact promise [1]. And now Apple's telling them: F you. What's going on at Apple? [1]: https://www.epicgames.com/site/en-US/news/apple-lied-breaks-... and https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/144071146788861543... And t…

> Apple lied... [1]: https://www.epicgames.com...

Yeah, I don't think that is a reliable unbiased source. Moreover, wouldn't this invite defamation suit?

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by locallost »

Sure, it's a f--- you move and Apple might like it, but if they keep it up, they will keep making enemies until they have no more friends. For every homer like Gruber there are many more people that just want to do something useful with Apple's technology. Like play Fortnite.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by notafraudster »

InGoodFaith wrote: post #64
threatofrain wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> (2) a declaration that (i) Apple’s termination of the DPLA and the related agreements between Epic Games and Apple was valid, lawful, and enforceable, and (ii) Apple has the contractual right to terminate its DPLA with any or all of Epic Games’ wholly owned subsidiaries, affiliates, and/or other entities under Epic Games’ control at any time and at Apple’s sole discretion. Why do you think this is plain wrong?

As you might recall - Apple did retaliate previously by also banning an associated Epic Account (for Unreal Engine and such) but was later legally forced not to [1] 1: https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/9/21492334/epic-fortnite-ap...

That was a temporary restraining order [1] and later certified in a preliminary injunction [2], which is what occurs before a trial in order to best preserve the pre-trial status quo and protect parties from harm pending trial.

You will note that the preliminary injunction vacates the temporary restraining order and notes that it will "remain in force until the disposition of this case". The case has been disposed. The final ruling explicitly allows "Apple has the contractual right to terminate its DPLA with any or all of Epic Games’ wholly owned subsidiaries, affiliates, and/or other entities under Epic Games’ control at any time and at Apple’s sole discretion."

I seriously recommend not relying on blog analysis of a court case and instead reading the court documents, and if you are unable to do so (understandable!) to avoid participating in the conversation in the manner of correcting someone.

1: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.36...

2: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.cand.36...

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by mimsee »

cmattoon wrote: post #91

This is from the company (Apple) who "mitigated" a zero-day with a case-sensitive string match so it could still be exploited? Like apple gives a shit about concealed code.

Apple cares about concealed code insofar as the code is being concealed from them. If Apple conceals code from the user, why would they care?

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by briandear »

spywaregorilla wrote: post #102
me_me_me wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In this analogy small people care about the outcome, the fake drama and PR is just none important.

I would be very happy if I could sell ios content and keep 88% (epic) vs. 70% (apple) of my own revenue. That's a 25% boost in my revenue. That's huge.

You already can keep 85%.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by danaris »

Aerroon wrote: post #12
isodev wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. It was quite clear from the beginning this is more about Epic's bottom line than the interest of users or developers.

And how are those two not related? Epic is a developer, therefore their bottom line is literally in the interest of developers. Furthermore, if a company has less fees to deal with then they can charge lower prices for the same product.

Yes, Epic is a developer. So too is Tim Cook a user; does that mean that what's in Tim Cook's interest is in the interest of users, in general?

This doesn't logically follow; Epic's interests do not necessarily align with the interests of all developers, and they certainly don't necessarily align with the interests of users.

In particular, the whole point of this is that Epic wants to be more than just a developer: they want to be a platform owner, and run their own App Store. Most developers can't even dream of that—and probably wouldn't want to.

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by __void »

yoz-y wrote: post #115
__void wrote: post #101

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A lot of people from here are reading the site so naturally they would post it here.

yeah I just read here in some comments that he also makes television appearances... i didn't know that, i thought he was more of a "internet random guy"! ...you never stop learning

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by [deleted] »

concinds wrote: post #49

This article doesn't mention the fact that Apple lied, and that Tim Cook "promised" in court that Epic would be let back in the app store if they promised to comply with the rules. Epic made that exact promise [1]. And now Apple's telling them: F you. What's going on at Apple? [1]: https://www.epicgames.com/site/en-US/news/apple-lied-breaks-... and https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/144071146788861543... And t…

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Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by ericmay »

jasode wrote: post #86
concinds wrote: post #49

This article doesn't mention the fact that Apple lied, and that Tim Cook "promised" in court that Epic would be let back in the app store if they promised to comply with the rules. Epic made that exact promise [1]. And now Apple's telling them: F you. What's going on at Apple? [1]: https://www.epicgames.com/site/en-US/news/apple-lied-breaks-... and https://twitter.com/TimSweeneyEpic/status/144071146788861543... And t…

>Apple lied, and that Tim Cook "promised" in court that Epic would be let back in the app store if they promised to comply with the rules. Epic made that exact promise [1]. And now Apple's telling them: F you. I think your post inadvertently makes things more confusing. In short, the situation changed and got a little more complicated after Tim Cook previously said they'd reinstate Epic's account. What are the new ch…

I think if Epic dropped the lawsuit after they lost the court case then Apple would let them back in the App Store. Continuing to fight makes it seem like there's no reason for Apple to reinstate Fortnite.

  [1] https://www.macrumors.com/2021/09/13/epic-games-files-appeal-against-apple-ruling/
  [2] https://www.macrumors.com/2021/09/22/fortnite-not-returning-to-app-store-until-legal-battle-ends/

Re: Apple Will Not Reinstate Epic’s Fortnite Developer Account

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Post by salawat »

madeofpalk wrote: post #70
Aeolun wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, violating the legal contract is just a cost of doing business, that’s why Epic shrugs and pays 6M. I’d argue that the pinky promise means more.

What is a contract if not a slightly more legally binding pinky promise?

Something prone to procedural weaponization in the sense that strategic refusal to even consider redlined terms (the entire point of meeting of the minds) is rife.

I'd like to direct your attention to every piece of software's license agreement to which the answer to "decline" or "disagree" is to cease execution. Not to figure out what the person is actually okay with, and modifying execution from there.

Network effects are explicitly exploited (see "economies of scale") to lock in what the provider specifically wants. Hence why FLOSS is so important for it's role of providing BATNA.

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