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Current research shows that the previously infected’s antibodies are equal-to or better than the vaccine. So previously infected should be sufficient, yet I expect these companies not to care about that
At worst it does nothing, at best it helps. I don’t see why google should bother with an exception here.
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As of now, everyone, included the vaccinated are still disease spreaders.
Vaccines not cutting transmission in 100% are still a poor reason to not have everyone vaccinated. Anti-vaxxers pretend they worry about the ones who can't get vaccinated when they're actually who makes things unsafer for them
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Lower socioeconomic communities have poorer access to vaccinations Early on, maybe. Not now. Find the poorest zip code in Alabama, 35203, which is in Birmingham. Look it up in Vaccines.gov. Nearest vaccination locations: Publix Supermarket, 0.79 miles, in stock. UAB Hospital, 1.03 miles, in stock. Walgreens, 1.62 miles. CVS, 1.65 and 1.74 miles. Legion Field vaccination clinic, 1.99 miles. There are a dozen more with…
What do poor folks in Alabama have a strong cultural memory of? The Tuskegee airmen experiments. Skepticism based on actual historical injustice isn’t the same thing as Karen’s who think that vaccines cause autism, and will require totally different solutions
Which confuses two completely different events, the Tuskegee untreated syphilis experiment and the Tuskegee airmen, both over half a century ago.
It's honestly fascinating to me that this is going to be the way we meet Privacy vs Security face to face more broadly. Intrapersonally, they might go hand in hand, but in the group setting, they seem almost at direct odds. Security (or safety) requires some social contracts to be fulfilled. When these social contracts aren't enough we start to see polices and law take up the slack. Our existing privacy laws and regu…
I am vaccinated but the only place I am willing to prove it is at an airport or a medical facility. There is a developing liberty/security divide which is going very much in the direction of far too far. Going along with the irrational ways so many people talk about vaccination I am not willing to give up an inch of liberty to the hivemind. No “papers please” to allow me to participate in normal society where the group in power gets to decide if I’m acceptable.
Current research shows that the previously infected’s antibodies are equal-to or better than the vaccine. So previously infected should be sufficient, yet I expect these companies not to care about that
Is there any research showing that these people should not get vaccinated? At worst it does nothing, at best it helps. I don’t see why google should bother with an exception here.
For a big chunk of the population vaccinating is very safe because the virus is very dangerous. A vaccine doesn’t have to be very safe for a disease that kills on the order of one in a thousand off otherwise healthy adults.
Being very young or already having contracted the virus significantly alters it’s risk profile. With a virus several orders of magnitude less deadly you have to start being much more careful that the vaccine is provably considerably safer than doing nothing. That’s not hard when you’re trying to beat 1 in 1000. It is very hard when you’re trying to beat a one in millions risk.
There have been concerns and side effects. Much less amplitude in signal compared to the virus, but still big enough to halt briefly a few of the vaccines, still enough that small children don’t get emergency authorization, still enough for a few warnings about immune reactions.
It is very rational to take a one in a million risk to prevent a one in a thousand risk. It is very rational to pause before taking a one in a million risk that could very well prevent nothing.
Makes no rational sense. The unvaccinated choose to be unvaccinated. You can walk into any Walgreens and get vaccinated for free. The vaccines have over 99% efficacy. Over 99% of new infections are unvaccinated people. Vast majority of vaccinated people getting infected with delta are having mild illness. If I had to bet, these sorts of policies actually disincentivize people to get vaccinated. Let everyone suffer so…
> these sorts of policies actually disincentivize people to get vaccinated Can you explain your logic?
The vaccine is a very reasonable thing to get but that doesn’t mean everyone in favor of it is behaving or thinking rationally.
When you have people turning something reasonable into a quasi religious moral obligation it is going to attract opposition, behaving irrationally is harmful even for something which is a good idea.
From the first point of the Nuremberg Code: 'The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential. This means that the person involved should have legal capacity to give consent; should be so situated as to be able to exercise free power of choice, without the intervention of any element of force, fraud, deceit, duress, overreaching, or other ulterior form of constraint or coercion; and should have suff…
Being stuck working at Google or Facebook is a bit different than being stuck in a concentration camp from the perspective of consent don't you think? I'm not belittling the discussion that our society must have about what can or can't be mandated by an employer. However, I doubt the above quote was created in the context of high paying tech jobs, they were focused on the forced experimentation that occurred in WW2.
Corporations, very much including google, are becoming defacto governments having a huge control in the flow of information and have threads weaved in to all of our lives. You can’t just give them a pass to do anything they want just because they’re technically not government.
The quote should apply to any entity with power over people trying to take away their ability to consent.
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As of now, everyone, included the vaccinated are still disease spreaders.
I’m not sure why you’re downvoted, this is an accurate depiction. The vaccine does not prevent infection/transmission, despite lay people commonly believing it does.