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Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)

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Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)

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10 or 15 years ago, this behaviour would universally be called adware and shunned, yet now Microsoft does it too? In addition to the Windows 10 alert, Microsoft Edge has also gained a new full-screen prompt that advises users to restore the ‘recommended’ browser and set Bing as the default search engine. ...complete with Corporate Memphis[1]. That screenshot sums up just about everything I hate about "modern" softwar…

Google still promotes Chrome as much as it can from its services. 5-10 years ago plenty of freeware were installing Chrome if you did not pay attention to remove some hidden checkbox. Apple nags me about Music subscription almost every time I open Music app. I don't understand what's wrong when Microsoft promotes its software and services.

Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)

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Then when I point out this sort of shit to explain why I insist in keeping Win7, people say I am nuts and that Win10 is fine.

Wine can probably run most windows 7 software, you're probably better off with Linux (use pop-os if you want something easy with good IME/desktop features. My Thai girlfriend jumped pretty much strait to that from windows after she got tired of all the MS/vendor crap eating up all the I/O.)

I've been saying this for decades at this point, but there is still the occasional snafu. We bought a TomTom GPS, and their MyDrive Connect map updater won't run on wine. Some error with vulkan and a Win32 extension.

Now I have to admit the GPS device itself is also pretty low-quality, so probably I should just return it to the store, but still... What were they smoking? No 3D accelerated map updates for me, I guess.

Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why use LTSC over, say, Pro? Genuinely curious. I have been running 16299 on Pro since about when it came out. I would be running win2k if drivers, etc were updated for it.

LTSC/LTSB doesn’t have the Windows App Store - and to my knowledge you can’t install it either. Pro cones with the App Store and to my knowledge you can’t uninstall it.

I consider it a feature

Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)

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I get the Edge-hate. I have my own experiences with lack of accessibility support in earlier versions. But, philosophically speaking, there is no difference between using Edge and Chrome. There are things which simply shouldnt be controlled by a single large company like MS or G. The difference between Chrome and Edge seems to be that Google managed to launch Chrome before they dumped their reputation. And some of th…

I actually like Edge. Although it looks like the Windows Marketing team have recently taken a renewed interest in this old victim of theirs and have managed to take over product management and strategy.

- Fancy looking but essentially dumbed down "fly-out" menus rather than full page versions of downloads, history, etc. Very buggy and slow too. Cannot disable.

- Pinterest integration, pricewatch integration, more along these lines to come.

- The ability to disable the various "Search Bing" options was recently removed. These buttons are now also positioned in such a way that they're easy to click accidentally.

- Each release consists of more new features, but also more bugs and more instability. Even without extensions I've been getting an insane amount of crashes lately and no way to find out what happened.

One other thing that has been bugging me since the beginning, is the fact that MS365 Business Standard accounts are the only type that cannot use the browser's synchronisation functionality. Considering even free outlook.com accounts can sync it is actually a little bit insulting.

Edge is actually really good otherwise. It has some nice tiny features that Chrome still lacks, it's faster than Chrome, its devtools are the same as Chrome's, it can use Chrome extensions if you like. Integrations with VSCode are also being worked on that I'm actually excited about.

This shit they're pulling lately is starting to become rather tiresome, though, and I'd hate to have to leave this browser behind because of that. I'd also have no idea which alternative to turn to.

Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)

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Why is this even surprising? Having your devices advertise to you, crying for your attention 24/7, is pretty much what push notifications are for . Why not leverage it to advertise Bing? It's not like people are going to stop using it , after all; we've proven that.

No, push notifications were invented for a very useful purpose — to notify you when something has happened . You know, emails, instant messages, social media interactions, all that kind of stuff. But then some bright minds figured out that they can also be used to try to manipulate you into doing something that would make the charts go up, since charts going up is apparently the single most important thing in the mod…

If you read modern documentation and tutorials for push APIs integrated into OSes[1] they'll tell you that the purpose of push notifications is to remind the user that your app is installed and encourage them to open it.

[1]not IMAP IDLE and leaving a socket open, that's not allowed anymore. the app servers connect to the service and if there's new data it must be relayed through the OS vendor's push server which the OS leaves a connection open to and will cause a notification to appear on the "end user's" device.

Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)

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When you pay for Windows you are the product. When you don't pay for Linux, Linux is the product. The only thing that keeps me in Windows is the VPN connection to work.

Why do you need windows to connect to a VPN? Does openconnect or openVPN not work?

Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)

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I'm sick of tech companies giving the only way to decline their preferred approach as "maybe later". No, I'm sure I don't want Bing or Edge next month either. If I change my mind I'm perfectly capable of finding the setting and even if I wasn't I'm sure it's only a DDG (or Bing I guess) search away to docs I'm almost certain you will have

Yes. I am still not interested in reviewing Android Auto for the play store, and I must have been asked 30+ times by now.

Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)

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Well, at least they don't force other browsers to use their IE/Edge engine and make sure ad blockers only work on their browser even if other browsers do decide to dilute their brand by publishing their "browser" as a skin on the default engine.

Not that I agree with MS on this btw.

Re: Windows 10 nagging users with Bing advertisements (push alerts)

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post #120

10 or 15 years ago, this behaviour would universally be called adware and shunned, yet now Microsoft does it too? In addition to the Windows 10 alert, Microsoft Edge has also gained a new full-screen prompt that advises users to restore the ‘recommended’ browser and set Bing as the default search engine. ...complete with Corporate Memphis[1]. That screenshot sums up just about everything I hate about "modern" softwar…

To Microsoft's defense everyone does it. Everytime there is an OS update on iOS, I know I will have to go through a dozen of modals that nag me for apple services.

And what a poor defense that is. It's almost not worth mentioning.
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