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Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by lupire »

ummonk wrote: post #116
disabled wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

LOL do you think they actually carry badges? That would be quite incriminating. Instead, it’s more like they are carrying fake passports issued by the Russian Federation. But, one likely would not get caught traveling on a fake passport issued by their country’s government’s spy service, unless they had already travelled on another (perhaps legit) passport abroad (Russia has internal passports too) that has fingerpri…

Russia provides passports for Belarussian agents?

Belarus is the last Soviet satellite.

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by Scoundreller »

jamesrr39 wrote: post #30
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #21

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same experience here and I'm also all over Europe. The time when you could just fly without hassle only lasted a few years. Now I have to look into the empty eyes of some dweeb wanting to check my passport like I'm entering Beirut in 1982. I feel obliged to thank them out of artificial politeness but really want to just ask them why they had to get a job that allows them to display power. Not that these checks ever p…

Also in Europe, but with a completely different experience; it is (well, was, pre-covid) easy to move between EU states. Within the Schengen Zone it's only the check at the gate to check your ID matches your boarding pass (so no check at "immigration"), and to/from the UK the electronic gates have really sped things up (compared to the old days). YMMV but I find I'm rarely waiting more than a few minutes at the immig…

Tell that to France. They still do passport checks on flights coming in from Schengen countries.

Especially stupid since I’ll be flying into southern France from neighbouring Brussels or Frankfurt. Like, if I’m up to no good, I could drive into France more quickly.

They’re allowed to do it “temporarily”, so they just renew their exemption year after year.

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Post by Scoundreller »

ryanlol wrote: post #94
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #33

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interesting. this seems to indicate that Schengen countries decided on a national level if they wanted to do checks on their borders. I have seen hard passport checks within Schengen in Croatia, Sweden, Germany, France and Portugal. Good to hear the UK has improved. I should have mentioned I haven't been there since 2018. I was expecting that brexit made things worse and had no idea

This really doesn’t add up. Who was performing these hard passport checks? An airline employee? Where was your flight originating from/going to?

France does them. Can confirm on flights from Brussels and Frankfurt.

Allowed “Temporarily” under “extenuating” circumstances and “only as a last resort”, so they renew it every year and have provided zero proof of its effectiveness. It’s just theatre.

If they applied it to road traffic too, then, okay, fine at the airport too. But checking passports of people coming in from a neighbouring country by air only is beyond stupid.

https://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/border...

Extra do-nothing jobs at Toulouse airport that receives few non-Schengen flights.

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Post by colejohnson66 »

serjester wrote: post #110
colejohnson66 wrote: post #98

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The cultural difference between the US and Europe is very interesting. In the US, when a flight is overbooked, the airline is allowed to bump anyone if they provide good enough compensation. Usually what happens is the airline “auctions” being bumped where they keep upping the “benefit” for staying. Usually that’s just a voucher for the next flight out, a gift card for the future, and a nights stay in a hotel. “We’re…

As someone that's taken these offers before I think you're making a lot of assumptions. Yes there's some people on the plane with important business but on a plane with a 100+ people it's exceedingly likely there's also people casually travelling. $500+ in airline credit to move their flight to the morning is a real deal. Personally I'd rather be in this system and pay lower airfare prices than pay a premium to guara…

For me, the rub is with the benefit being a credit, not cash. If I’m not flying frequently enough, those credits are kindof worthless. Don’t they also have expiration dates?

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Post by sam_lowry_ »

sam_lowry_ wrote: post #31
baybal2 wrote: post #19

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My bad

You were not completely wrong. There is a long story of state agents trying to access SWIFT messages. At some point, SWIFT had to set up a backup data center in Switzerland in order to route European transactions within Europe. The other data center is in the Netherlands.

...And the American data center is not far from NSA HQ.

And they do not have a data center in Asia.

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by barry27 »

serjester wrote: post #110
colejohnson66 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The cultural difference between the US and Europe is very interesting. In the US, when a flight is overbooked, the airline is allowed to bump anyone if they provide good enough compensation. Usually what happens is the airline “auctions” being bumped where they keep upping the “benefit” for staying. Usually that’s just a voucher for the next flight out, a gift card for the future, and a nights stay in a hotel. “We’re…

As someone that's taken these offers before I think you're making a lot of assumptions. Yes there's some people on the plane with important business but on a plane with a 100+ people it's exceedingly likely there's also people casually travelling. $500+ in airline credit to move their flight to the morning is a real deal. Personally I'd rather be in this system and pay lower airfare prices than pay a premium to guara…

It's not a "premium". That's the whole thing about the US. There's the ruling class, and then there's the rest of you. The ruling class throws scraps, as in this instance "500+ in airline credit", and they somehow get the people to insist that it's a better way of life.

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Post by Lio »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #98
kokx wrote: post #80

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Within the EU, flights rarely get overbooked. Especially on cheap flights like with Ryanair, the reimbursement that the airline has to provide in case of overbooking can easily be more than 10x the ticket value.

The cultural difference between the US and Europe is very interesting. In the US, when a flight is overbooked, the airline is allowed to bump anyone if they provide good enough compensation. Usually what happens is the airline “auctions” being bumped where they keep upping the “benefit” for staying. Usually that’s just a voucher for the next flight out, a gift card for the future, and a nights stay in a hotel. “We’re…

Ryanair famously also increases prices closer to takeoff time.

They give big discounts to people who book early and make their planning process easier.

In theory this makes the need for overbooking less necessary. If you don’t show up you’re not getting your money back anyway and the plane will use less fuel on its flight.

This from the airline that wanted to charge people for using the toilets. If overbooking was a better model I’m pretty sure they’d use it.

Re: Do countries get the list of every passenger that's transiting their airspace?

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Post by ummonk »

tgragnato wrote: post #119
ummonk wrote: post #116

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Russia provides passports for Belarussian agents?

Yeah they apparently had Russian passports and the full support of the Russian state. Maria Zakharova even wrote that “It is shocking that the West calls the incident in Belarusian airspace ‘shocking,’”. She is the Director of the Press Department for the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and is famous for claiming things as ludicrous as this one… https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/konstantinbenyumov/mari...

Thanks. I could swear like a decade ago it seemed like Belarus and Russia had had a falling out but I guess they patched things up since then (or the falling out didn’t impact cooperation like these passports).
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