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Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by hangonhn »

_lhb8 wrote: post #101
jefftk wrote: post #15

By moving to Microsoft Edge, you get everything described above plus you’ll be able to extend the life of your legacy websites and apps well beyond the Internet Explorer 11 desktop application retirement date using IE mode. Internet Explorer mode in Microsoft Edge will be supported through at least 2029. While IE11 as an independent program is going away, the rendering engine is still around for 8+y. Here's hoping th…

This is what I love about Microsoft. While Google is eager to go ahead and cancel Google Cloud Print and say "find an alternative before next month", Microsoft would be the company to announce it'll be cancelled in 2023, extended support lasts until 2029, and you can buy Extended Warranty 365+ for Business that lasts until 2067.

I think that's what happens when your root is in enterprise software or at least some of your heritage is in enterprise. I have no great love for MSFT but I agree with you about their willingness to support things well past their expected expiration. IIRC they even went so far as to detect programs that used some "bugs" in earlier versions of Windows and emulated those same buggy behaviors just for those programs.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by gnu8 »

detritus wrote: post #86
skrebbel wrote: post #74

I smell a lot of nostalgia in this thread, and rightfully so! IE has been a terrible browser, but it was our terrible browser. But fear not! Outlook still uses the HTML parsing engine from MS Word (!) to display your HTML emails, and it's not going anywhere.

Going a bit further back, IE 5 and 6 were the best browser by far. Strange for me to think that my now-beloved Firefox has its heritage embedded in Netscape, which at the same time as IE5 was an absolute pig. - ed for some reason I have it in mind as IE5.5 specifically that was The Great IE.

Did we forget all about Mozilla already?

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by thatfunkymunki »

hangonhn wrote: post #121
_lhb8 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what I love about Microsoft. While Google is eager to go ahead and cancel Google Cloud Print and say "find an alternative before next month", Microsoft would be the company to announce it'll be cancelled in 2023, extended support lasts until 2029, and you can buy Extended Warranty 365+ for Business that lasts until 2067.

I think that's what happens when your root is in enterprise software or at least some of your heritage is in enterprise. I have no great love for MSFT but I agree with you about their willingness to support things well past their expected expiration. IIRC they even went so far as to detect programs that used some "bugs" in earlier versions of Windows and emulated those same buggy behaviors just for those programs.

https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/2hwlrk/new_wind... comes to mind, which explains (at least partially) why Windows 10 came directly after Windows 8.1

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by detritus »

adventured wrote: post #114
detritus wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going a bit further back, IE 5 and 6 were the best browser by far. Strange for me to think that my now-beloved Firefox has its heritage embedded in Netscape, which at the same time as IE5 was an absolute pig. - ed for some reason I have it in mind as IE5.5 specifically that was The Great IE.

It was IE 5.5 that was particularly a champ compared to the terrible Netscape Communicator / Netscape 4 product. I continued to regularly use Netscape 4 through those years, as I didn't like IE, and it was a real dog in most every respect. Netscape took their eye off the ball in an attempt to further build their business away from the browser (Communicator of course was their suite attempt), and failed at both things…

Thanks for confirming - I wasn't sure if I was mixing up the version number with Photoshop, which 5.5 was (if memory serves) the one that fixed terribly-kerned typesetting in v5, and added some new web-export wizziness.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by detritus »

gnu8 wrote: post #122
detritus wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Going a bit further back, IE 5 and 6 were the best browser by far. Strange for me to think that my now-beloved Firefox has its heritage embedded in Netscape, which at the same time as IE5 was an absolute pig. - ed for some reason I have it in mind as IE5.5 specifically that was The Great IE.

Did we forget all about Mozilla already?

Nope, still using two of their products today, and waiting for the moment (as, I think, promised soon?) wherein I could donate/pay directly to/for firefox.

I don't broadly support Mozilla's aims (I also don't not - I'm an owner of a 1st-gen Firefox phone, for example), but we're just talking browsers here.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by zamadatix »

dspillett wrote: post #104

> Internet Explorer 11 desktop application will be retired ... on ... Woo. And, indeed, hoo. > for certain versions of Windows 10 Ah. And there begineth the weasle words. I'm guessing there will be significant organisations in finance/wealth management (our general area) and other industries that will still demand IE11 support for some time after that date. I think first a combination of our move towards "more smalle…

Reality is much simpler - as mentioned directly below that section "Note: This retirement does not affect in-market Windows 10 LTSC or Server Internet Explorer 11 desktop applications." and those version already have precommitted support lifecycles that extend well past this date. Nobody needs to ask/push for an extension, that's what those versions exist for and support is already committed to nearly 2030.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by Ensorceled »

ehutch79 wrote: post #60
stevencorona wrote: post #9

I work on a SaaS app in the healthcare space where IE11 is the preferred browser, and was getting worried watching all of our favorite tools begin to completely drop IE11 support (Tailwinds, Bootstrap) - effectively punishing us for the sins our customers IT orgs. This brings me hope. But only a little. I’m sure they’ll find a way to keep running it.

Isn't IE11 support a potential HIPPA violation?

How? Like, what part of HIPPA do you think applies to the browser the app is running in?

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by whakim »

djxfade wrote: post #117
easton wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When Outlook becomes a PWA (currently in test, I think it's probably two-three years from stable), it'll be rendering mail with all the functionality of Blink. Which depending on your point of view, means a sigh of relief or time to buy more RAM. https://www.windowscentral.com/project-monarch-outlook-web-u...

But Gmail is already a web app, and only supports a tiny subset of modern HTML and CSS. The limitation is of course arbitrary, it could in theory support any modern standards. But HTML mail is so quirky and full of hacks, that they probably have to do it that way to preserve compatibility. Apple's Mail app is one of the few modern mail clients that can render modern HTML/CSS

That's true, and I wish that emails could just work like everything else on the web. But simply removing Outlook and all its baggage from the equation would be a big, big improvement on the status quo.

Re: Internet Explorer 11 (IE11) to be retired on June 15, 2022

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Post by lriel »

I'm currently enjoying nostalgia as I'm currently using IE for a full on ActiveX app which has no use the loose obtuse constructs of the HTML.

Much live a headcrab, the ActiveX takes over the the full device context and reaches deep into the OS. I CAN pulp my own WM messages thank you very much Mr browser ... Brakes my alt tab from time to time, can't grab focus from a miss Z'd dialog. Yes... Nostalgia Nostalgia Nostalgia

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