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Post by max_hammer »

magicsmoke wrote: post #94
Miner49er wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there actual evidence that a homogenous population results in better economic output? That sounds like literal fascist propaganda to me.

China's population is not homogeneous, and neither is Singapore's. Singapore has large Indian and Malay ethnic populations, China's got dozens of ethnicities and the main Han ethnic group is really a mix of different cultural and ethnic groups where the best analogy is how "White" people in the US are treated as the same ethnic group despite originating from dozens of European countries. No population is truly homoge…

Chinese population is more than 90% Han Chinese. Also, language is very important for Homogeneity that's why Chinese Govt introduced Simplified Chinese as official language and Singapore introduced English as official language.

Here is a good video of `Lee Kaun yew` on why single language is important for development of country.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5vELNwtQO1E

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thehappypm wrote: post #99
max_hammer wrote: post #56

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Authroian regime and homogenous population(Han). It's same model as Singapore, just at bigger level.

What are you talking about? Singapore is highly diverse.

Singapore is 75% Chinese and everyone speak English.

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heraclius wrote: post #66
max_hammer wrote: post #45

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Did you just compared treatment of Uyghurs in China with Kashmiri/Muslims in India ? Last I checked Indian govt is not holding minority in reeducation camps or removing every trace of cultural heritage.

One can note certain rhetorical similarities without holding that in every aspect China and India are doing the same thing.

What is India doing ?

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Post by 1cvmask »

FARA registrations does not necessarily equate with trying to influence Americans per se. The mainly Chinese news agencies and all their US employees are registered under FARA. The consumption of their news is probably primarily consumers in China and China-watchers. My guess is their main desire is to influence the Chinese populace only.

During the cold war all Kremlinolgists would read Pravda to figure out the truth (pun definitely intended for the multilinguals). I doubt any Americans that read it were ever swayed by their coverage of blacks and civil rights. When atrocities against say blacks were highlighted, or bombing countries like Laos or Vietnam, the ensuing inevitable recriminations would always be on charges of whataboutism or disinformation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kremlinology

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pravda

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laotian_Civil_War

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disinformation

“A Lie Can Travel Halfway Around the World While the Truth Is Putting On Its Shoes” - which ironically is misattributed to Mark Twain

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Post by rednerrus »

scarmig wrote: post #10

Chinese propaganda is just so... Tone deaf. Give me a couple million dollars and a couple interns and I'm pretty sure I could do better than any of its existing organs. This isn't a particularly high bar: you could probably do better just by doing nothing.

TikTok is definitely affecting American brains. They are the cultural zeitgeist right now.

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Post by Barrin92 »

president wrote: post #117
briefcomment wrote: post #17

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What do you think are examples of Chinese propaganda? If it was good, I don't think we'd be able to tell.

Promotion of the world covid lockdowns. If you read the literature from the attorneys that have analyzed the timeline (Michael P Senger, Reiner Fuellmich et al), the idea of the lockdown came directly from western academics directly influenced by China.

lockdowns in responses to pandemics have been around since medieval times. The quarantine is probably the oldest social measure against disease (in fact the word derives from the Italian phrase for '40 days' because that's how long Venician ships needed to stay isolated at ports). You think the fact that people in different places came up with the idea of "people spread diseases, so people need to stay in their homes" at the same time is some sort of 21st century academic influence campaign?

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Post by Yoric »

scarmig wrote: post #35
briefcomment wrote: post #17

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What do you think are examples of Chinese propaganda? If it was good, I don't think we'd be able to tell.

I agree that good propaganda wouldn't be easily discernable as propaganda. I'm skeptical that the same organizations that run the shitty Twitter fake accounts can simultaneously run actually effective programs. It'd be like Apple simultaneously being Apple and also running a shitty Etsy storefront that sells amateurish coffee cozies.

I suspect that HN-oriented propaganda will look more like academic publications, VC investors and job offers.
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