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Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

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Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

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Off topic. Last week wife got an email that her Facebook was logged into. Told her to open app and change password immediately. Too late. Account email and phone number already changed. No way to use old ones to get control back. 15 year old account with a huge amount of memories gone. Best possible was to indicate a problem, so account is disabled. But no way to use it anymore. Apparently this has happened to around…

A teaching moment for using strong passwords.

Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

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post #65

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I have no grudge against The Guardian in particular, I have a grudge against ALL media (purporting to be 'left' leaning) that fed us lies (under the guise of R2P) to ease most wars and imperialist adventures. This post links to The Guardian, and The Guardian was most vociferous in the destruction of Libya (and Syria).

...so who the hell DO you get your news from?

Probably Facebook and Youtube. :)

Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

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I think we need a new journalism. One that can avoid the last 20 years of structured news. Though I think this is impossible now. Not without an outsized reaction by the population that doesn't even care. Facebook exists because most people can accept those crimes committed against them. They really don't even understand them all. Shit Zuckerburg uses Signal. Nothing surprises me anymore

I think journalistic work in gathering and checking facts and statements is fundamentally the same. Delivery sucks though. There is to much news generated each day, but feeds like in Fb or Twitter are not cut out to track issues. So we just endlessly consume information without achieving understanding.

Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

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post #103

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You apply the term MSM and thus must have a notion of what constitutes the MSM, right? So which media sources don't count as MSM? If you can't name such sources then why use MSM instead of "mass media"?

We are completely gone off-subject, but here is my take: I don't believe the MSM/Non-MSM divide creates any magical trust or value. The national (or international) household names (say WaPo, NYT, CNN, Fox, Slate, BBC, The Guardian, The Times, The Independent, Le Monde, Le Figaro, El Pais, Al Jazeera, etc.: extrapolate worldwide...) just have the power to do more harm/control/propaganda. Non-MSM (or non household reco…

Then why use MSM instead of just “mass media” or instead of just saying, “verify sources to the extent possible”? My claim is that Facebook has far more power to do damage than the sources you’ve stated.

Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

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Off topic. Last week wife got an email that her Facebook was logged into. Told her to open app and change password immediately. Too late. Account email and phone number already changed. No way to use old ones to get control back. 15 year old account with a huge amount of memories gone. Best possible was to indicate a problem, so account is disabled. But no way to use it anymore. Apparently this has happened to around…

A teaching moment for using strong passwords.

That’s missing the point. And frankly victim blaming.

Allowing all the security info to be changed moments after logging on with no way to put them back is absurd.

Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

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post #27

I think we need a new journalism. One that can avoid the last 20 years of structured news. Though I think this is impossible now. Not without an outsized reaction by the population that doesn't even care. Facebook exists because most people can accept those crimes committed against them. They really don't even understand them all. Shit Zuckerburg uses Signal. Nothing surprises me anymore

We don't need a new journalism, we need a new economic model to support the old old journalism (pre-1990s). The three foundational planks that we've since lost are (1) strong newsroom editorial control of content, independent of revenue, (2) long form & investigative journalism as a stable, viable profession, & (3) journalists and journalism outlets with reputation (able to counter-balance the weight of those they re…

> IMHO, we should just say the hell with it, tax advertising revenue, and fund journalism as a public good.

What about the independent journalists and outlets that rely on said advertising revenue? Or the more mainstream ones that do likewise?

Seems like this may make it worse for those, unless you've got a way this can only affect ad network providers rather than those utilising their services.

Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

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post #34

> The investigation shows how Facebook has allowed major abuses of its platform in poor, small and non-western countries in order to prioritize addressing abuses that attract media attention or affect the US and other wealthy countries. The company acted quickly to address political manipulation affecting countries such as the US, Taiwan, South Korea and Poland, while moving slowly or not at all on cases in Afghanist…

Not pertinent to the main issue, but I just find it funny how the guardian never forgets to include such “facts” about countries: “poor, small and non-western countries”. Does similarly when it talks about racial “equality” up to the point its readership will pretty much always associate certain countries and ethnicities with poverty. Basically, promoting stereotypes.

Does it do anyone any favours by pretending that these countries are not "poor, small, and non-western"? I suppose you can replace "poor" with "developing", but it's a fine balancing act between unfaithful stereotyping and patronizing epithets.

Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

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post #57

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Substack is that new economic model for a limited number of investigative journalists who have strong name recognition like Glenn Greenwald and Matt Taibbi. But it probably won't scale to the levels were need.

Substack is currently awesome but it isn't going to be able to pay for journalism on any significant scale, as you mentioned. Journalism needs to be paid for by philanthropy. Absolute independence from market forces and political pressures. There are enough billionaires that could fund endless journalism off a fraction of their interest earnings.

How much do you trust the independence of the Washington Post, now that it's owned and backed by Jeff Bezos? They clearly have freedom from market forces and political pressures now.

Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

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post #34

> The investigation shows how Facebook has allowed major abuses of its platform in poor, small and non-western countries in order to prioritize addressing abuses that attract media attention or affect the US and other wealthy countries. The company acted quickly to address political manipulation affecting countries such as the US, Taiwan, South Korea and Poland, while moving slowly or not at all on cases in Afghanist…

Not pertinent to the main issue, but I just find it funny how the guardian never forgets to include such “facts” about countries: “poor, small and non-western countries”. Does similarly when it talks about racial “equality” up to the point its readership will pretty much always associate certain countries and ethnicities with poverty. Basically, promoting stereotypes.

Calling Mexico small and poor is a weird choice. Would China and Brazil qualify as well?

Re: Facebook slow to address political manipulation outside wealthy, western nations

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post #32

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> It's interesting how Guy Rosen, a co-founder of the spyware company Onavo, is now Facebook's "vice-president of integrity" Sounds like a bad joke.

Imagine Radiohead's Creep playing on the background and it fits perfectly.

I thought that song was originally written by Nine Inch Nails, or am I misremembering?

Edit: fellas I asked a question downvotes aren’t necessary

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