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Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by sebmellen »

SkyMarshal wrote: post #116
sebmellen wrote: post #5

> In the 50-second video, Ma, dressed in a navy pullover, spoke directly to the camera from a room with grey marble walls and a striped carpet. It was not clear from the video or the Tianmu News article where he was speaking from. Uh, resurfacing from a fancy prison cell, perhaps? Can anyone find the video? EDIT: Here's the raw video: https://twitter.com/globaltimesnews/status/13517514568277196... . If you watch his…

Thanks for digging up that video. Telling that the Global Times (CPC-affiliated media) refers to him as the "former executive chairman of #Alibaba" , and that he's making the video from some "rural teacher-themed social welfare event" . This isn't what normally happens to billionaire corporate executives, unless they've been convicted of violating the law.

Good point — the whole matter really is quite strange, whatever one believes about China/the CPC aside. It does seem there's an established pipeline for this sort of "deplatforming" that the CPC has gotten very adept at pushing high-status people through.

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by dang »

FooBarWidget wrote: post #20

In the last Hacker News thread, people were so sure that the government jailed him for criticizing the party. Even though there was no evidence of such, people just assumed it MUST be true because the CCP MUST be evil. And before Jack Ma "disappeared", people were worried about Jack Ma and Ant Group being a national security threat, because of his ties with CCP. Because "CCP evil". No matter the facts, people just co…

Please don't do nationalistic flamewar on HN, regardless of what other people do. This is supposed to be a site for curious conversation across differences, even when the differences are deep and wide. High-indignation rhetoric makes that impossible.

I've posted about this many times, including specifically on Chinese topics: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

(Also, please don't use allcaps for emphasis—I know that sounds minor, but it's related, and it's also in the site guidelines.)

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by _wmhc »

baybal2 wrote: post #107
FooBarWidget wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much more mental gymnastics do we need? I think it's time to accept that he WASN'T jailed rather than trying to forcefully shoehorn the facts into a 'but China still bad' narrative. The HN commentary went from 'Jack Ma is a national security threat' to 'Jack Ma is a poor victim of the CCP will will never be seen again' to 'this is fake, he is still jailed'. If he shows up someone else in person next time, will pe…

> rather than trying to forcefully shoehorn the facts into a 'but China still bad' narrative. And it is bad. The country run by a freaking communist party, if somebody didn't notice. And we are not even mentioning gulag, and hookers. > In contrast to China's reputation here in the west, the govt actually DOES listen to criticism. Because it is afraid of it? > The key is to be constructive, and to criticize policy rat…

>sent to gulags

The GULAG was a specific USSR agency and their camps. You can't just call any prison system you personally don't like GULAG.

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by dang »

sebmellen wrote: post #92
hawkice wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of those was flagged, so it's pretty clearly "not-HN". The other says it's a state-run business (which, I mean, lots of people disagreed with that). That's miles away from saying something is a security threat [edit: it's worth saying, for those not clicking the link, he compares it to Saudi Aramco, which is, I mean, I've never heard that IPO described as a security threat either, so there's not really even any i…

It's gaslighting. The pro-China crowd has gotten very good at this. Look for the downvotes on posts with countervailing narratives.

Please don't break the site guidelines like this.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

This sort of perception is notoriously unreliable and is pretty much entirely in the eye of the beholder. The majority of comments in this thread, and basically every other HN thread on the topic, are not at all as you describe.

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by hungryhobo »

yongjik wrote: post #61
FooBarWidget wrote: post #20

In the last Hacker News thread, people were so sure that the government jailed him for criticizing the party. Even though there was no evidence of such, people just assumed it MUST be true because the CCP MUST be evil. And before Jack Ma "disappeared", people were worried about Jack Ma and Ant Group being a national security threat, because of his ties with CCP. Because "CCP evil". No matter the facts, people just co…

> In the last Hacker News thread, people were so sure that the government jailed him for criticizing the party. Even though there was no evidence of such, people just assumed it MUST be true because the CCP MUST be evil. That's because in any other moderately functioning country, it takes at most a few phone calls by journalists to clarify the matter: "Excuse me, billionaire Mr. X hasn't been seen for days. Could you…

i mean that's the point isn't it, in all the news about jack ma's disappearance, has any journalist tried to clarify the matter? NO, it's all speculation and journalists trying to create a narrative.

So, jack ma has only disappeared in this magical world created by western media.

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by dang »

secretcombos wrote: post #46
lxe wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A Chinese person's perspective about China and its politics/government on HN/Reddit? Enjoy the following classics: 1) you're brainwashed. 2) how do you justify the human rights violations? 3) you're a CCP shill 4) Would you publicly curse Xi and denounce the CCP? Good luck!

He could very well be from the 50 Cent Party. HN has no doubt been infiltrated by them: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party

You've broken the site guidelines egregiously with this comment. Please stop creating accounts to do that with.

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Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by prox »

secretcombos wrote: post #83
ConcreteGidget wrote: post #63

Does anyone have any book recommendations for non-chinese people to understand CCP power structures? I'm completely lost in all of this Jack Ma stuff.

Deceiving the Sky: Inside Communist China's Drive for Global Supremacy (2019) by Bill Gertz is an excellent starting point: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/50927537-deceiving-the-s...

I wonder why you’re being downvoted. Is it because it’s so accurate that it hurts or because it’s not?

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by dang »

lxe wrote: post #40
FooBarWidget wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much more mental gymnastics do we need? I think it's time to accept that he WASN'T jailed rather than trying to forcefully shoehorn the facts into a 'but China still bad' narrative. The HN commentary went from 'Jack Ma is a national security threat' to 'Jack Ma is a poor victim of the CCP will will never be seen again' to 'this is fake, he is still jailed'. If he shows up someone else in person next time, will pe…

A Chinese person's perspective about China and its politics/government on HN/Reddit? Enjoy the following classics: 1) you're brainwashed. 2) how do you justify the human rights violations? 3) you're a CCP shill 4) Would you publicly curse Xi and denounce the CCP? Good luck!

I understand the frustration, but please don't post flamewar comments to HN, and especially not nationalistic flamewar comments, regardless of how wrong other people are or you feel they are. These threads are already hellish enough.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Jack Ma makes first live appearance in three months in online meet

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Post by dirtyid »

duxup wrote: post #51
dirtyid wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's part of Jack Ma Foundation's annual Rural Educators Award. A few more pictures: https://tech.ifeng.com/c/83BS98wwWV9 Here's one from 2020. http://www.xinhuanet.com/english/2020-01/07/c_138685262.htm Old UN article. https://www.un.org/sustainabledevelopment/blog/2016/08/jack-...

The article mentions that.

Then it shouldn't be that weird, Ma overstepped with his speech and is carefully negotiating the minefield he's currently in. Alibaba stock rebounded ~5% since his showing. He'll slowly work his way back into public life as is customary for nature of his infraction. If CCP wanted to disappear him long term, there'd be predictable and fraud/corruption charges already laid.
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