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How I read books: a guide on how to learn

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Re: How I read books: a guide on how to learn

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> he wrote about note-taking Did he? I though we have his archive and we know how he used it (from some interview, I think). Didn't thought he wrote about it directly in his system. Do you have source on that?

Communicating with Slipboxes http://luhmann.surge.sh/communicating-with-slip-boxes

I wish this were less abstruse.

Re: How I read books: a guide on how to learn

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As someone with ADHD, I think I got an amplified impression on the issue at hand. These people are selling the fantasy of success/self-efficacy to those vulnerable people lacking executive functioning and prone to daydream their life. I can't count how many "techniques" I came up with myself over the years. Enthusiastic, convinced and most importantly, of course, not successful. Motivated, getting-things-done people…

I'm going to see a psychiatrist for the first time next week because I think I had ADHD. This has helped me think about exactly how I want to state my problem. That I lack executive function, that I can't focus on the things I need to focus on, that I have spent decades trying to create accountability systems that ultimately fail. > help your brain to dopamine with diet, with timing sugar Could you expand? I have bee…

Sounds more like metaphorical sugar - a brief top-up of excitement to keep the brain in high alert mode.

Think Facebook notifications. The excitement is not knowing what the notification is telling you about.

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Sometimes I wonder how I would turn out if I did organized people stuff like this. What bothers me is these life advices always feel like bullshit. Like, check this guy out. He has his own website with a title "Den Zhadanov\nTechnology. Productivity. Inspiration.". This is life coaching 101. He writes about how burning man didn't change his life and has pictures of books on beaches. How does one take this person seri…

You're my spirit animal sir/madam. Just another blog post telling people how to live by a person whose whole existence revolves around that process. And yet, inexplicably, this drivel is somehow popular. I guess clueless people feel like they could learn something while not realizing that author himself doesn't know what he's talking about.

Motivational seminars are huge business. I was reading an article the other day about the whole "improve your self esteem" market which swept the US in the 80s/90s.

It's fascinating to me as a Briton because we don't have such a culture.

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I remember asking IBMers if they used rational modeling to make their programs. The silence answered the question. I'm guilty of this myself. My interests and struggle become topic of suggestions to others even though it's half good ideas half fluff.

> My interests and struggle become topic of suggestions to others even though it's half good ideas half fluff. This is a wonderfully honest observation. I suspect we all have this experience; I certainly do. Of course the suggestions come from an honest place, but often the verbalized outputs do not live up to the epistemic standards we would like to hold ourselves to. I think perhaps I should less say "do this" and…

> "here is my experience, and my current theory about that experience, and what I'm trying to do to improve".

Indeed that's what I did for a few years. My ideas have shifted now, I stopped discussing much (life is short) instead you do stuff. And suddenly mediocre companies feel a lot more valuable because instead of talking theories they do stuff.

I guess I'm just rediscovering life... know how to gather a bunch of people and make something useful and enjoyable for many.

Re: How I read books: a guide on how to learn

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As someone with ADHD, I think I got an amplified impression on the issue at hand. These people are selling the fantasy of success/self-efficacy to those vulnerable people lacking executive functioning and prone to daydream their life. I can't count how many "techniques" I came up with myself over the years. Enthusiastic, convinced and most importantly, of course, not successful. Motivated, getting-things-done people…

I'm going to see a psychiatrist for the first time next week because I think I had ADHD. This has helped me think about exactly how I want to state my problem. That I lack executive function, that I can't focus on the things I need to focus on, that I have spent decades trying to create accountability systems that ultimately fail. > help your brain to dopamine with diet, with timing sugar Could you expand? I have bee…

I mean actual sugar. Glucose signals your brain to refill the energy expenditure risk capacity. With ADHD your brain isn't normal. It's more active, it burns more and has less capacity for risk in energy expenditure (putting off reward). You need a steady stream of fuel. (Not a giant load, slowly sip on some orange juice or even lemonade when you work your brain). Look up Russell Barkley lectures on youtube. He's generally regarded an expert in the field.

Yo. And check out /r/adhd! You won't learn how to cope there, since everybody just shares their "successful" techniques that they got going for a week ;) But it's super helpful to see how other people are like you, that it's actually not your fucking fault (pretty much saved my life...), that you're not lazy, and so on. ADHD also comes with a burden on your social life, from coming late, being impulsive and too easily aborting friendships (the radicalism on alleged principles, which I mentioned at the learning part) and so on, so it's good to untangle all that in the stories of others. Also that sub doesn't try to sell you ADHD as a blessing, which is good. You may "benefit" from divergent thinking and creativity at times, which come with the loose and jumpy focus, but ultimately it's a heavy burden, which has a toll on your life and health.

Daily exercise lifts your dopamine "base level".

However, if you really got ADHD you wanna try Ritalin, or Vyvanse. These stimulants work differently in ADHD brains than normal ones. To give you an idea: Some people take a small dose Ritalin right before bed, to calm their thoughts. I was skeptical about meds, but then I read in ADHD these stimulants actually "normalize" the brain as a long term "side effect". How often do you read that about psycho-pharmaca? They come at cost tho, of course, first medication I got with "sudden death" as a side effect... I also have trouble holding my weight (going too low), which started to scare me a little.

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I'm going to see a psychiatrist for the first time next week because I think I had ADHD. This has helped me think about exactly how I want to state my problem. That I lack executive function, that I can't focus on the things I need to focus on, that I have spent decades trying to create accountability systems that ultimately fail. > help your brain to dopamine with diet, with timing sugar Could you expand? I have bee…

Sounds more like metaphorical sugar - a brief top-up of excitement to keep the brain in high alert mode. Think Facebook notifications. The excitement is not knowing what the notification is telling you about.

No, actually meant sugar XD. But yeah, for the dopamine still. Otherwise your brain is looking for other sources. Stimulatory thoughts ("big ideas", exploding connections), or the usual procrastination with novelty mining. Sugar increases your "will power" by dopamine release.

Dopamine manages how long you can do a task before you evaluate its success; the risk of energy expenditure. Think of how long a path finding algorithm goes into one direction before aborting; with the evolutionary twist of a survival restraints on overall energy expenditure, which means there is a feedback loop modifying the risk capacity on success or failure.

Normal people start with more and overfill with completed tasks (if rewarding), so they got more for the next plan. That is, you got a bit of dopamine for putting on your pants in the morning. In ADHD you _constantly fight the lack of (non-abstract) motivation for such simple things, because you got a chronic deficit. Daily life already costs you a lot of "will power".

Re: How I read books: a guide on how to learn

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I took the other route and decided to read 100 books in a year. Did that for 3 years. They were mostly top rated or highly popular or highly recommended non-fiction books of all time, including the one pictured in the article. Most books are highly overrated. They usually take some useful ideas, usually what author perceived was useful to them, and add things to them to make it sound useful to their target readers, w…

> It's OK to read 3 whole books cover to cover on a Sunday. It may be OK but wonder if it’s possible to do this, unless one is skimming through them heavily

Nope. Reading 3 normal sized books cover to cover in one day.

Re: How I read books: a guide on how to learn

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As someone with ADHD, I think I got an amplified impression on the issue at hand. These people are selling the fantasy of success/self-efficacy to those vulnerable people lacking executive functioning and prone to daydream their life. I can't count how many "techniques" I came up with myself over the years. Enthusiastic, convinced and most importantly, of course, not successful. Motivated, getting-things-done people…

I'm going to see a psychiatrist for the first time next week because I think I had ADHD. This has helped me think about exactly how I want to state my problem. That I lack executive function, that I can't focus on the things I need to focus on, that I have spent decades trying to create accountability systems that ultimately fail. > help your brain to dopamine with diet, with timing sugar Could you expand? I have bee…

Another thing... You want a sincere diagnosis, based on what you got. Don't stress about finding the right words :)

There are a ton of other things, which overlap with ADHD symptoms. Bipolar PD, depression, hidden sleep problems (like apnea), anxiety, nutritional deficiencies, ... . Many of these things also come comorbid, unfortunately. Either way it's not an easy diagnosis and takes time to untangle.

Wish you all the best <3

Re: How I read books: a guide on how to learn

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Building on this advice, I highy recommend the essay titled "How to Read a Book" by Paul Edwards: https://pne.people.si.umich.edu/PDF/howtoread.pdf Edwards is an academic historian of science who write incredibly long and dense books drawing on hundreds of sources. If anyone knows how to read, its him, and his advice was truly useful for my own reading.

Thanks for this. I clicked on this thread thinking "why should I care about how den zhadanov reads books? what has he accomplished exactly?" and confirmed my suspicious when I saw the picture of him reading one of those junk business self help books. Snake oil. This person, however, seems worthy of consideration.

“junk business self help books.”

Indeed many a bookshelf is littered with such babble, but to group Nobel laureate, Danny Khaneman[1] into that group would be a gross overestimation.

[1] https://www.britannica.com/biography/Daniel-Kahneman

Re: How I read books: a guide on how to learn

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> Reading a bunch of popular bestseller self help books doesn't actually teach you anything, even if you read 5000 of them. Agree. Your time in life is finite, so one should read only the good stuff (and yes, objectively, some books are better than others).

> Agree. Your time in life is finite, so one should read only the good stuff (and yes, objectively, some books are better than others). Wow, what a way to look at things... if life is finite why waste all of your time reading books someone else deems to be be "objectively" better than others? Just read whatever the hell appeals to you and forget about the official "deemed worthy" cannon.

I think I partly agree, reading anything is probably better than the alternatives if you want to do something to improve yourself.

However, you could also try, yourself, to make an educated guess or research what you might read to decide, for yourself, whether you consider it 'worthwhile' to spend your time on. You are setting up a false choice between 'read whatever you feel like without thinking about it at all' and 'only read what they tell you is worth reading', which aren't even choices among the same set of alternatives!

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