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RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by m463 »

pankajdoharey wrote: post #115
qwerty456127 wrote: post #29

> This request wasn't well-received by developers, many of whom retaliated by posting copies of the code. Yesterday, things went from bad to worse when a user with the name 'F * T RIAA' uploaded three MP3s of the songs the RIAA mentioned in its takedown notice RIAA couldn't care less. As far as I understand, they practically are just a team of lawyers whose job is to attack whoever they can reach, take whatever they…

Can someone explain what is so hard here to go ahead and host your own Git repository? I mean how hard is it to run git instaweb --httpd=webrick Also there are tons of options GNU Savannah, Gogs,Gitea , Git Bucket ...

It is very easy to run a git repository. However you (and your ISP) might receive DMCA notices and have to respond or at least deal with legal notices yourself.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by rollcat »

dleslie wrote: post #90
raxxorrax wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Companies actually lobby the EU, I guess the same is true for the US, to allow "forward scanning". Meaning they would like to proactively try to purge the net of illegal content. Mozilla is part of this alliance. I am going to leave Github, since the tech giants + Mozilla should not be trusted. https://edima-eu.org/

Mozilla jumped the shark when they relented to supporting EME and packaging Widevine and OpenH264 with an otherwise-FOSS product. It's not as though a fork couldn't have added those. And despite adding those the user share of Firefox continues to decline.

Mozilla is not GNU. They may compromise on their values because it allows them to stay relevant and get anything done at all.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by AndrewUnmuted »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #117
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #78

I'm not sure I'd call this "backfiring," as I'm sure that the RIAA must have seen this coming (they have been the Snidely Whiplash of the tech industry for a couple of decades). This kind of reaction is not exactly anything new; just the medium. I think that pirating streams actually helps to sell music. At least, in my limited sample pool, that has been the case. I used to stream an Internet radio station that playe…

> I think that pirating streams actually helps to sell music. At least, in my limited sample pool, that has been the case. So you say that users pirate the music and then buy the same music they illegally downloaded?

AFAIK, the illegal part is not the downloading, but the act of uploading/seeding the assets.

But this pipeline you establish - of people "pirating" music and then purchasing that same music later on - was a very common one, and remains so to this day.

Before digital audio was a thing, people would routinely record songs onto tape while listening to the radio. They would then play this music in other contexts, to which they had no license, effectively making these individuals "pirates." Any "pirate" who recorded a Todd Rundgren song in 1972 from the radio, and then purchased his full double-LP "Something/Anything" at Sears the next week, was definitely a win for the artist, the record label, and the industry as a whole.

On top of this, also don't forget that even to this day, consumers commonly purchase the same music when it gets released on a newer audio distribution format (vinyl -> 8-track -> cassette -> CD -> iTunes -> Spotify/Apple Music). "Piracy" now does commonly mean a "purchase" later.

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Post by tt433 »

skyyler wrote: post #109
squarefoot wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Then again... who remembers Digg? I do. It was pretty good, then they destroyed it, de facto paving the way for Reddit's success.

I hope something replaces reddit soon. The creeping features are beginning to rot.

Completely off topic but there's no way to get to r/friends from the mobile app. It's pathetic.

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by julianlam »

mabbo wrote: post #61
michelb wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Indeed. This just plays into their hands.

Not necessarily. Remember what happened when Digg tried to ban anyone from posting the 09F9 number because it was a secret key to some DVD thing? The users revolted so hard that the people managing the site gave up and let it stand. Then again... who remembers Digg?

What an interesting read!

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AACS_encryption_key_controve...

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by the5avage »

Animats wrote: post #100

This makes it necessary to sync another service with Github for software projects. Once Github, now a unit of Microsoft, gets takedowns going, legit software projects will be taken down through random errors. Systems which rely on Github in production, such as Rust's "cargo", now need to be using multiple sources and checking hashes.

Why does it rely on Github? Can't it download git repos from other sites?

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by steveklabnik »

the5avage wrote: post #126
Animats wrote: post #100

This makes it necessary to sync another service with Github for software projects. Once Github, now a unit of Microsoft, gets takedowns going, legit software projects will be taken down through random errors. Systems which rely on Github in production, such as Rust's "cargo", now need to be using multiple sources and checking hashes.

Why does it rely on Github? Can't it download git repos from other sites?

It 99% does not. Cargo does not download the sources of projects from github. The package index is downloaded as a git repo from github.

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Post by fouric »

KingOfCoders wrote: post #8

Which will lead to GitHub adding content filters which will lead to false flags and rejected commits which will lead to algorithms wrongly flagging existing content in your repo which will lead to a byzantine appeal processes which ... ... no wait, that was my Youtube channel.

How does the problem have anything to do with GitHub and not the RIAA/DMCA?

Re: RIAA Takedowns Backfire as Pirated MP3s Now Surface on GitHub

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Post by rch »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #114
rch wrote: post #101

I'd rather see a curated database of content that isn't covered by any enforcement arm of the recording industry, so I can compensate those musicians directly.

What benefit would that make? I heard mostly good things about the studios from artist's perspective. They might be forced to lie though in public. You can buy the songs from itunes and artist will receive most of the money.

It could be beneficial if it contributed to diminishing the coercive influence of the industry with respect to copyright law and actions like the one being discussed here.

I haven't used iTunes in quite a while, but it's worth noting that Bandcamp is still waiving its revenue share the first Friday of the month. Of course that only makes sense given the variety options which also support the platform itself, like their vinyl program.

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Post by colejohnson66 »

wolfgke wrote: post #94
dwild wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You really think Github will giveup respecting DMCA and copyright infringement? Your example is nice, but it's about the copyright stand of a number... it's much more grey than respecting an actual DMCA notice and being aware of actual copyrighted content on your platform. I don't think so... instead what I expect would most probably happen is that they automate it even more, which will suck even more. We got enough…

Of course Microsoft (the company behind Github) will not give up respecting DMCA and copyright infringement. The question rather is: how much will developers continue to respect Microsoft?

You’re asking people to not respect Microsoft because they’re doing something they’re legally mandated to do. If Microsoft takes the route many have argued for here (namely, reject the DMCA request as it’s invalid) and the DMCA request ends up being found valid in the courts, Microsoft loses their DMCA safe harbor protections and open themselves up to multi-million dollar lawsuits. Sure, if they’re right, then they’re in the clear, but when their business is at risk of being killed if they’re wrong, they’re going to err on the side of caution.

It’s easy to stand at a distance and mock those who do something we disagree with, but when you’re actually in that situation, your tune is going to change very quickly. A bad example, but if you’re getting mugged, sure, you could fight back, but your life is on the line.

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