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Airbnb Plans to File Confidentially for IPO in August

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Re: Airbnb Plans to File Confidentially for IPO in August

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post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not really. Airbnb has an infinitely more solid business model than Uber, and even Uber went IPO.

If I had a solid business, why would I want to sell?

Because you want to spend the money?

Re: Airbnb Plans to File Confidentially for IPO in August

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post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Illegal taxis and rental housing (whether short or long term) have been around forever though. And they weren't just a fringe thing. College students and immigrant groups may predominantly use them in many places. If there's a current increase in such things, I'd blame it on the factors and regulations restricting the legal supply of these things rather than on airbnb/uber.

Illegal child pornography, terrorism radicalisation and other modern issues have also been around forever, it doesn't mean that the scale and leverage of the internet haven't made it worse, at least in tooling. The same applies to illegal taxis and housing, yes, they were problems before but you didn't have a centralised global network of rentals (many illegal) connecting to the market of people looking for accommoda…

> Illegal child pornography, terrorism radicalisation and other modern issues have also been around forever, it doesn't mean that the scale and leverage of the internet haven't made it worse, at least in tooling.

Ergo I can't disprove causation with my argument? I certainly concede that. For one thing it's a negative, not to mention the fact that you can't prove causation either. But then I don't concede it should be assumed true unless proven otherwise. Further, I can make arguments against it of course. And I made not one, but three: that it existed already, it was not a fringe activity (like, say, terrorism or child porn), and three that effects blamed on uber/airbnb can be explained by larger cultural changes. I think there's a bias in these arguments towards the experience of a certain group of people who actually travel the world and use apps to do so.

Re: Airbnb Plans to File Confidentially for IPO in August

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I have to weigh in. Spent on 8 Airbnb rental trips. All ok. Then one crazy host without feedback left a false review claiming property damage in a room I never used and that I “used escorts” when I stayed with my family. I had no time to reply and was unable on multiple appeals to get the false review removed from Airbnb. To this day I’m not sure what was in her mind but I think she got into trouble with her neighbou…

> It could happen to you when you least expect it - be warned.

No, it couldn't. Last time I used an AirBnb was 2017 in Japan and I will never, ever do so again.

Even if two of three places were OK, what came to light about the company as essentially a societal parasite would (and did) stop me of giving them any more business.

But in addition to, in my opinion, bad karma there are very practical reasons to just book a hotel room and not having to put up with a laundry list of crap.

What I mostly resent is having to tiptoe around other guests or neighbors, who are quite rightfully annoyed about an illegal hotel in their shared building.

Then there's the fact that you don't really have an idea into what you actually get. It can be fine, or it can be a pretty crummy place.

Hotels usually also don't hide surveillance equipment, or even if it's specified in a listing I don't want any fucking cameras pointed into my direction in the privacy of a room for which I paid.

There are no additional cleaning charges tacked to your stay. The advertised room rate is what I pay for (save for that insane "resort fee" you only find in America and which is borderline fraud to begin with).

Not only is it extremely convenient to pick up your key at a well staffed reception. The staff can also function as an on-location trouble shooter if something goes wrong.

And that the prices are so good is ancient history at best. In areas with high demand Airbnb prices are usually not cheaper than hotels. Especially when you factor in the hassle and the cleaning fees.

Finally, I can book exactly what I want in the price range I want and know pretty precisely what to expect. If I want to splurge I'll chose the LeMeridien in town, if money is more of a concern I go to the local Ibis.

But you know what? I know that both of them provide a really good bed. Something I never really enjoyed in an Airbnb.

So no, I really don't have to reckon with bad reviews destroying my travel plans.

Re: Airbnb Plans to File Confidentially for IPO in August

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post #33

Didn't AirBnB just take out a huge loan on less-than-stellar terms? https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/15/airbnb-ups-its-debt-by-1bn... Not to mention how the company is getting hammered by the coronavirus, in addition to having to face the reality of having used shady tactics to prop up positive reviews over the years. https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/43k7z3/nationwide-fake-ho... This sounds like they're trying to cas…

I'm an employee and Airbnb is actually doing very well right now. People have been taking a lot of trips to less dense areas as nearby getaways. https://www.financial-world.org/news/news/business/6074/cali... Same for VRBO, which is also doing very well.

That must be the reason why they fired 25% of their workforce.

Re: Airbnb Plans to File Confidentially for IPO in August

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I don't have any horse in this race (meaning: no economic interest in how AirBnB's stock will perform), but I'd like to say something: irrespective of which company we are talking about, it's much easier to pile on and trash a company, than to root for it; as it's easier to find reasons why the stock should go down, etc.

I, too, had a few issues with AirBnB in the past, of course. But I also used AirBnB as a guest maybe 100 times; and I hosted on AirBnB for several years. I kind of hate to admit it, but I am happy that AirBnB exists, despite it's not perfect by any means.

What I hope is that AirBnB will be able to transform itself into a better company, and that many people will benefit from its existence (not just owning the stock; I mean actually using the service).

What would I do if I had absolute power over the company's strategy?

1) Fix the review system. It's a problem somewhat similar to Covid-19, in terms of "flattening the curve": you want to pursue wrong reviews, false reviews, etc so aggressively that people eventually realize they will get caught most of the time, and will essentially stop doing it. Perhaps create a "protocol" to check in, where the guest can film entering the property for a few minutes, and even leave the video to be reviewed by other future guests. And so on.

2) There are two categories of hosts: the ones that simply do it for business (they buy multiple properties in a city and rent it out 100% of the time), the ones that do it to mingle with guests (a-la couchsurfing). Make it easy to distinguish between the two, and possibly offer a slightly different web experience for guests.

3) Training: help hosts (and maybe guests) learn what's important and essential to provide a great experience; a "udemy" of sort, for AirBnB hosts. And maybe a little for guests too. You become a certified "guest", I give you a discount.

Perhaps the above would mitigate some of the issues that AirBnB had in the past.

Just my 0.02.

Re: Airbnb Plans to File Confidentially for IPO in August

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post #76

I recently had the occasion to stay with 4 different Airbnb hosts over the span of under a month, my takeaway was that if I owned any Airbnb stock, I would've sold it immediately. The first two accommodations were huge let downs in terms of cleanliness, despite both advertising Enhanced Clean. The first trip was booked for a month, but we got sick of ants, mice and lack of action after about a week and left early. Th…

While we're on this topic...

Late last year I wrote a detail review of a place I stayed at that was poorly maintained. I made the review very detailed, even providing picture evidence of the dirty microwave and clogged air conditioners to prove that the place did not deserve all the 5-stars it was getting.

After I posted it, I realised that no one will ever read it, because all the paragraphs I wrote were merged into one huge wall of text. In particular, the numbered list of issues I wrote was merged into a mess.

All the links to pictures were also stripped out from my review without warning. If links are not allowed, shouldn't it have brought up an error when I tried to post the review? I don't understand why they would allow my review to go through, but then censor it later.

I then got really mad when I tried to rewrite my review into something shorter, but couldn't, because Airbnb does not allow you to edit reviews if the host has already reviewed you. Since all the host had to say was "Great guest", his review was up first, and so my unreadable review was permanent.

Re: Airbnb Plans to File Confidentially for IPO in August

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Why does Airbnb have no competitors? The site itself is not a huge value add. Their search is not fantastic. Uber has Lyft, Airbnb has ... vrbo??? no major competitors?

Could you expand on what's wrong with their search ?

For instance, you can't find listings without specifying an arrival and departure date. What if I want to see what's available before committing to an exact date?

Re: Airbnb Plans to File Confidentially for IPO in August

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post #46

Not an employee but overall I am quite bullish on Airbnb as ironically they will be the definition of a what a post-covid travel company will become. Couple points in their favour: 1. Work from home becomes work from anywhere: The WFH trend is here to stay and will grow. If you have an option why not stay anywhere in world and work vs. close by home? I expect we will see a big % of WFH markets be global travelers. Pr…

A bit off topic but interested in (3). WHO thinks covid is most of entirely droplet and not aerosol spread. Do you have a link to the contrary please? Not the first time I’ve heard this opinion and I’m interested to see the evidence.

Re: Airbnb Plans to File Confidentially for IPO in August

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I've lived primarily out of aribnbs for about 3 years while working remotely.

Ive had as many horror stories as everyone else but there is a way to get consistently good results on airbnb:

Always assume the worst. If the whole apartment looks beautiful but there are no bathroom pics, assume the bathroom is a dungeon.

If you see clothes in a closet or personal belongings, assume the whole place is cluttered with someone else's mess.

If they don't show the bedsheets, assume they are disgusting.

You get the point.

The places that care about having a good experience show all of these things in detail because they know they are doing better than the rest and it's a selling point. If the place is not painfully documented in pictures, just assume they are hiding the bad parts.

Re: Airbnb Plans to File Confidentially for IPO in August

#130
post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thriving business model while the slow cooker of regulations don't catch up to them. There are reports of some touristic cities starting to cap Airbnb rentals, or just outright outlawing them. It's for good measure, Airbnbs in Barcelona, Lisboa and a number of other European cities have priced out the local population, investors buying 4-10 apartments on the same house to rent out as short-term rentals. Airbnb create…

> Airbnbs in Barcelona, Lisboa Lots of places in Lisbon list their AL number, indicating they are registered places for renting out. Locals have been priced out of Lisbon for a long time, but seems like restricting airbnbs has not limited it too much.

Can't say for Lisboa, but in Algarve, half of those AL numbers aren't the actual owners. AL numbers actually work with residents/landlords and they rent the place, but it isn't owned by them, and give a cut to the owners.

(Know a few friends that would bunch up together in a house for July/August as 'entrepreneurs' would offer them 1-2K for their house for those two months to manage it and rent it themselves in AirBnB and other platforms)

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