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Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by zozbot234 »

Causality1 wrote: post #47
user982 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Stefan_Molyneux

Wow that guy's an idiot. He actually claims the Iraq War was a failure because Iraqis have IQs in the 80s and are therefore incapable of accepting democracy. Racism aside, if you've done even a bit of reading on IQ you know it's been rising for decades if not longer. His Jeffersonian Democracy was built by people with an IQ that would be in the 80s today.

You see these I.Q. numbers posted around the Internet all the time, but few will mention that they are also highly suspect, to the point of being just about worthless.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by mmmmmbop »

whateveracct wrote: post #70
mchusma wrote: post #61

This is not directly related, but I saw the policy: "videos alleging that a group is superior in order to justify discrimination, segregation or exclusion based on qualities like age, gender, race, caste, religion, sexual orientation or veteran status" I'm curious if anyone know the root of "veteran" on this list? I am just not familiar with that kind of -ism (veteran-ism?).

I think veterans are considered a suspect class & there exists legislation protecting against discrimination.

I wonder if this policy is valid outside the US. If so, are you allowed to discriminate against veterans of the Wehrmacht, or the SS?

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by throwaway29102 »

disposekinetics wrote: post #71
rickbutton wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? There is a massive political movement for racial equality happening all over the country. They are responding to pressure from consumers, which they very much should, because all of these companies have ignored these issues for decades. They aren't coordinating with each other in some conspiracy to silence white supremacists. The -people- want white supremacists to be deplatformed (a good thing!).

This is why you never give into the mob, even when their point is a good one. That's how individual rights are lost to the collective.

Yaaaaaas...this one salty

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by fault_lines »

etherael wrote: post #94
rickbutton wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? There is a massive political movement for racial equality happening all over the country. They are responding to pressure from consumers, which they very much should, because all of these companies have ignored these issues for decades. They aren't coordinating with each other in some conspiracy to silence white supremacists. The -people- want white supremacists to be deplatformed (a good thing!).

I'm not familiar with Richard Spencer or David Duke's content, but I have heard plenty of Stefan Molyneux's, and > by alleging that members of protected groups were inferior. From the article is an outright lie, that simply flat out never happened. If this is what "the people" are demanding, this should be taken as evidence that "the people" are to put it bluntly, fucking retarded. But that is no great surprise by th…

"Screaming 'racism' at people because blacks are collectively less intelligent...is insane."

“You cannot run a high IQ [white] society with low IQ [non-white] people…these [non-white] immigrants are going to fail...and they're not just going to fail a little, they are going to fail hard…they're not staying on welfare because they’re lazy...they’re doing what is economically the best option for them...you are importing a gene set that is incompatible with success in a free-market economy.”

—YouTube video, The Death of Europe | European Migrant Crisis, October 4, 2015 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eydDN55Vyc&amp=&feature=you...

This is just two quotes from one appearance. There are many more: https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/indi...

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by anticonformist »

Acrobatic_Road wrote: post #107
jacquesm wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Apparently they're going to ban a large number of subs on Monday and frame it as an anti-racism initiative" Frame it? It is an anti-racism initiative. It may have side effects as well but that is the main driver.

They did not ban racist subreddits like /r/blackpeopletwitter and /r/fragilewhiteredditor. If you don't know, to post on /r/blackpeopletwitter you have to send a photo of your skin color to the moderators. They are literally racially segregating users.

Exactly.

Just because someone claims something is anti-racist doesn't make it so. Almost all organized evil is done in the name of something good. Look at how laws like the The Patriot Act are named.

The people behind these bans are leftist extremists going after their rightist extremist enemies. Their "good intentions" are paving our path towards hell.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by kstrauser »

anticonformist wrote: post #96
ra1n85 wrote: post #13

Twitch and Reddit enacted bans simultaneously: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/29/reddit-bans-pro-tru... https://www.engadget.com/twitch-suspends-donald-trump-accoun... Seems odd for multiple independent companies to act in concert like this.

The public square is owned by private companies and they're enforcing anti-first amendment principles. One can't even argue that these banned people can move to another platform if they're all coordinating. Leftist extremists are effecting public banishment of their rightist extremist opponents. It wouldn't be as bad if leftist extremists were getting banned at the same time. The problem is that leftist extremists ha…

Today, Reddit banned the Chapo Trap House left extremist group. From someone not involved in either extreme, it appears to me like they're being consistent and banning people for behavior and not politics. I've not heard anyone calling for George Will to be deplatformed, for instance.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by dogma1138 »

Acrobatic_Road wrote: post #107
jacquesm wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Apparently they're going to ban a large number of subs on Monday and frame it as an anti-racism initiative" Frame it? It is an anti-racism initiative. It may have side effects as well but that is the main driver.

They did not ban racist subreddits like /r/blackpeopletwitter and /r/fragilewhiteredditor. If you don't know, to post on /r/blackpeopletwitter you have to send a photo of your skin color to the moderators. They are literally racially segregating users.

“While the rule on hate protects such groups, it does not protect all groups or all forms of identity. For example, the rule does not protect groups of people who are in the majority or who promote such attacks of hate.”

https://www.reddithelp.com/en/categories/rules-reporting/acc...

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by jacquesm »

henriquez wrote: post #68
pingpongchef wrote: post #28

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Molyneux, precisely, does not advocate specifically for a white ethnostate where Spencer does. However, Molyneux doesn't oppose one on principle, which for most is too close for comfort so he gets branded as one. I understand for many that is evidence of guilt but logically speaking that's not the same thing.

I listened to some of Molyneux podcasts awhile back. He seemed very gray area, borderline white nationalist, almost consciously ambiguous with just enough plausible deniability. It was a little too close for comfort and I took him off my list. That said, I don’t think it’s fair to lump him in with folks like Spencer and Duke. I don’t agree with Moleyneux’s viewpoints but think he articulates them well enough that he…

The clever ones are the more dangerous ones. Plenty of people that will strike Spencer and Duke will be lulled to sleep by Molyneux but in the end the agenda is the same.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by disposekinetics »

alistairSH wrote: post #81
searchableguy wrote: post #34

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I have an easy answer to that: Youtube has more users than there are people in US. If you had a service that was used by whole of US, shouldn't that be public? Imagine there was a single food stall in the entire US. Should you allow food stall which is really controlled by a few share holders and executives at the top to decide whom to feed or not? Again, the problem is not huge platforms banning toxic people. It's t…

Somebody would open a competing grocery. Likewise, racist and bigots can build their own internet platform.

Competition seems to get shut down whenever this happens.

Re: YouTube bans Stefan Molyneux, David Duke, Richard Spencer for hate speech

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Post by Miner49er »

ra1n85 wrote: post #13

Twitch and Reddit enacted bans simultaneously: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/29/reddit-bans-pro-tru... https://www.engadget.com/twitch-suspends-donald-trump-accoun... Seems odd for multiple independent companies to act in concert like this.

This happened a couple years back when they both made some big policy changes related to guns. I'm pretty sure it's just pressure from major advertisers they both share.

Here is an HN link from it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16643040

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