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America is determined to sink Huawei

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Post by snogaraleal »

kaveh_h wrote: post #119
snogaraleal wrote: post #100

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What are you talking about? The EU runs a current account surplus with the US, and it's a protectorate of the US through NATO. Europe is absolutely delusional and ungrateful.

I didn’t down vote you. Multinational companies are not bringing profits home. This was perhaps the best decision Trump made was to even the playing field and brought it down to about the same as most EU countries. Europe is a much larger population but it’s not as rich as US per capita so don’t expect europeans to buy more US goods. I agree that sometimes the tariffs are too high. But the situation is more complex.…

The US manufacturing produces things that Europeans can buy, but in some instances US companies can't compete with their heavily subsidized European counterparts.

At some point Trump got angry at us and said "OK no tariffs, but ALSO no subsidies". Obviously Europe didn't agree, and the US put tariffs in place.

All this is logical, I get it that Trump is hyperbolical and extreme, but he's not that crazy.

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Post by luckydata »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #116
luckydata wrote: post #114

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No matter how much budget you have, there's always something you can't do. It's pretty convenient to throw a bunch of resources at a project knowing "the other half" of the IP is gonna show up for free on a thumb drive someone drops by after leaving their job at Cisco (or whatever other company they decide to raid that month) in a hurry. Your R&D budget becomes effectively your 15B (I don't believe that number btw) p…

Any evidence for your assertion that Huawei is stealing Cisco and Broadcom's R&D?

Plenty. Are you asking me to google it for you?

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Post by whylie »

dang wrote: post #107
whylie wrote: post #61

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100% agree - definitely an unpopular opinion on this site from my experience but I appreciate your post.

Between this comment and the ethnic attack in your other recent comment ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23277011 ), I have to tell you that any more of this will get you banned here.

Great - you should then uphold the same standards against pro-CCP users instead of promoting them on this site bud.

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Post by luckydata »

DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #102
luckydata wrote: post #87

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That's a losing battle, there's no point in fighting for the Chinese market since it's not a real market. The winner there will always be a state controlled entity until the political environment changes. But Chinese companies should absolutely be barred from doing business outside of China as their influence is toxic to democracy and freedom. When things change, so I will change my mind.

2017 revenue from China (USD): * Apple: 44.8 Billion * Intel: 14.8 Billion * Qualcomm: 14.6 Billion * Boeing: 11.9 Billion * Micron Technology: 10.4 Billion Based on [1]. Meanwhile, "Europe's listed firms expect to glean $514 billion in revenue from China."[2] I just don't understand where people get this idea that Western companies can't do business in China. They have a massive presence in China, unmatched by the p…

As long as they accept to get their IP cloned, hurt people and ignore consequences. It's a well remunerated pound of flesh.

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Post by theredbox »

dang wrote: post #120
theredbox wrote: post #118

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>Apart from "it is an evil, vile country", My family had been at the receiving end of such countries. Twice. I dont believe in a policy of appeasement. At all. China is too similar to Nazi Germany for me to ignore it. It is an evil, vile country that has deception and absolute disregard to human rights deeply rooted at its core. The youtuber SerpentZA only scratches the surface of what this country is doing to not on…

These judgments about entire countries are much too grandiose and strident to count as thoughtful comments here. No matter how you feel about policy there are always many people in any country who are not part of it. Some of them are on HN. Those readers have a right to come here and not see comments denouncing their country and often (by implication if not explicitly) their ethnicity, and in a way their families too…

>These judgments about entire countries are much too grandiose and strident to count as thoughtful comments here.

They are not really thoughtful comments. I dont know how productive they are but I guess some people appreciate them. I dont want to contribute to a circlejerk of "we hate china". For sure not.

I usually get carried away though.

>Those readers have a right to come here and not see comments denouncing their country and often (by implication if not explicitly) their ethnicity, and in a way their families too. Moreover, since such comments are pure flamebait, they are a vector toward this site destroying itself with flamewar and we have a duty to prevent that.

Sure do I have the right not to be dismissed by "americansplaining"?

I dont really disagree with anything you have said I just find it incredibly difficult to discuss controversial topics on the internet.

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