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Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by jussij »

gpm wrote: post #35
DiogenesKynikos wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty difficult to take the accusations of theft of 5G technology seriously, when Huawei is far ahead of its competitors and has massively outspent them on R&D for 5G. > Was she ever extradited from Canada after being captured in Vancouver, BC? No, it's still a giant political mess. The Canadian government wishes they had never gotten involved - they should have just let her slip. With the US and China, Canada…

> The Canadian government wishes they had never gotten involved - they should have just let her slip. With the US and China, Canada is between a rock and a hard place. Source on this? I certainly haven't heard the government say anything to this effect. As a Canadian I certainly do not wish we had "just let her slip". We're a country of laws. We should follow those laws, not just give in to pressure from China becaus…

> As a Canadian I certainly do not wish we had "just let her slip".

History has shown us and it keeps showing us principles are great as long as they don't get in the way of business.

For example why was it that Trudeau decided to "just let [it] slip" when it came to the SNC-Lavalin corruption investigation?

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/06/americas/canada-politics-...

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by DarthGhandi »

jtdev wrote: post #88
boomboomsubban wrote: post #60

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>With the perspective of COVID19, China seems like a threat to the global community This does not make any sense to me. Though I do not approve of all of the actions China took at the start of the pandemic, I can not understand how you can consider them a threat over it. Also McDonald's?

Have you not considered that China made an exerted effort to withhold information about COVID19 from the world... How is that not an act of aggression? Hundreds of thousands dead... Golden Arches Theory: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lexus_and_the_Olive_Tree

There's evidence it was in Europe long before it was ever noticed in China.

Was France and Italy covering it up to harm the planet? There was an irregularly high number of pneumonia deaths in Italy oct/nov 2019 and yet you won't see allegations of a a conspiracy because it's an absurd assumption given him much self inflicted harm it caused.

Going down the cover up and "act of aggression" rabbithole, the whole world knew about it months before ever impacted them and had all the time in the world to prepare.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by fartcannon »

predictmktegirl wrote: post #36

I think we should all keep something in mind before we go celebrate the end of globalization. If we go on a rampage pulling manufacturing and capital out of China while simultaneously blaming them for the pandemic, in a few years we’ll end up seeing a nation with a shattered economy, a pissed off populace, and the largest and most well supplied army on Earth. Rhetoric tends to devolve into a limited decision matrix w…

Someone somewhere is playing to win, though. You can only successfully use diplomacy from a position of power. I think some of the sabre rattling is an attempt to suggest power.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by gpm »

jussij wrote: post #121
gpm wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The Canadian government wishes they had never gotten involved - they should have just let her slip. With the US and China, Canada is between a rock and a hard place. Source on this? I certainly haven't heard the government say anything to this effect. As a Canadian I certainly do not wish we had "just let her slip". We're a country of laws. We should follow those laws, not just give in to pressure from China becaus…

> As a Canadian I certainly do not wish we had "just let her slip". History has shown us and it keeps showing us principles are great as long as they don't get in the way of business. For example why was it that Trudeau decided to "just let [it] slip" when it came to the SNC-Lavalin corruption investigation? https://edition.cnn.com/2019/03/06/americas/canada-politics-...

Trudeau was, rightly (to the extent that he was involved/aware), lambasted for that decision...

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by jrochkind1 »

evancox100 wrote: post #113
jrochkind1 wrote: post #69

> Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross told Fox Business “there has been a very highly technical loophole through which Huawei has been in able, in effect, to use U.S. technology with foreign fab producers.” Ross called the rule change a “highly tailored thing to try to correct that loophole.” This is very vague. Does anyone understand what they are talking about?

The “loophole” was this: “Under the new rule, any foreign company that uses American technology to produce microchips would need a license to sell to Huawei. That makes it difficult for major chip contract manufacturers like Taiwan’s T.S.M.C. to sell to Huawei, because its supply chains rely heavily on American manufacturing tools. It could also clamp down on sales by makers of semiconductor equipment, like Applied M…

I don't really understand why they are requiring a license to sell to Huawei in the first place.

That this is all such a string of vagueness makes me suspect it's a bunch of bullshit, more about politics (in the 'optics' sense) or business competitiveness than actual national security.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by [deleted] »

ilaksh wrote: post #98
JohnTClark wrote: post #89

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It is better to hold them down while we, the west get stronger. They can escalate tensions all they want they still need warships, nukes, microchips, etc. to do something and as long as we stay better then them they won't do anything. In my opinion the best way to avoid a war is to have the bigger stick

Maybe but at some point it turns into a case where people are constantly beating each other with sticks of various sizes. And then it's not civilized anymore. So it seems like either that stick needs to get much more effective very quickly, or probably more reasonably at this point we need to try to de-escalate somehow. In my opinion there is a very obvious lack of cultural and political integration which is inevitab…

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Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by pmachinery »

ericmay wrote: post #103
saiya-jin wrote: post #95

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Man, I get your point, they did/are doing tons of bad stuff. But so is every-fucking-body else, everywhere. Industrial espionage is a thing for more than a century, everybody tries to steal whatever they can, even US from Europe and vice versa. US secret services help their own private companies get an edge (for some other favors obviously), and so do other secret services. Friendships among nations is a very relativ…

So in that case, then it's surely fine to just block Huawei. It's just a continuation of the same shenanigans that "everybody is doing". Right? I think there are certain lines that aren't supposed to be crossed. You'll notice in the U.S. that Uber and Levandowski were sued by Waymo. Why? Because they stole source code. If "everybody is doing it" surely Waymo would just chalk it up to business as usual right? I guess…

Don't worry, in a few years China will be producing so much of its own IP it will start hypocritically crying about other countries stealing from it and being unfair and protectionist, and that will be a copy of the US too.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by alisonatwork »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #70
bildung wrote: post #30

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I will be very surprised if Huawei would be found guilty of anything. The company plays an important role in actually defining the 5G standard as a member of 3GPP, and holds 3 times the number of 5G patents than Qualcomm. I mean, look at the number of contributions to the 5G standards by company in this document, and compare the positions of Huawei, Qualcomm and Cisco: https://www.iplytics.com/wp-content/uploads/2019…

worked for a main competitor of Huawei building UMTS/LTE base stations which at the time weren't even properly standardized (early systems design). Searched for my own name on github. Found source code I wrote for said vendor which was taken from somebody who worked for our Hangzhou office and had access to the same internal VCS[1] as me. The guy downloaded anything he had access to then moved to Huawei and from ther…

I don't know anything about telecoms, but I work in a different area of software development in China and can confirm it is not uncommon for developers here to bring their whole previous employer's repo with them when they switch jobs. One of my most cringeworthy moments was when I saw the same XyzUtil class pop up in two different companies, and both had been sourced from the same (not open source) third company repo, with the same bug that I ended up fixing twice.

I suspect this happens in other countries too, but I think elsewhere people make an effort to be less obvious about it. I get the impression copy paste programming isn't as looked down upon here as it is in the west.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by onemoresoop »

Reason077 wrote: post #115
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

worked for a main competitor of Huawei building UMTS/LTE base stations which at the time weren't even properly standardized (early systems design). Searched for my own name on github. Found source code I wrote for said vendor which was taken from somebody who worked for our Hangzhou office and had access to the same internal VCS[1] as me. The guy downloaded anything he had access to then moved to Huawei and from ther…

> "And by the way they are _not_ the leader in 5G." You can argue that Ericsson and Nokia are equals to Huawei in 5G technology . But Huawei are by far the leaders in 5G equipment sales .

Yeah because they sell cheap. Yeah because they didnt incur the cost of IP, it’s on the backs of others whose work was stolen.

This is the problem with China, they unashamedly want to eat the hand that feeds them. Even in China there’s a saying, somethink like “Don’t wake up the sleepy giant” in reference to the US’ lax policy in dealing with this. They, the Chinese themselves, think that the US is dumb for letting them get away with so much.

Re: US blocks shipments of semiconductors to Huawei

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Post by tzs »

isatty wrote: post #26
shmel wrote: post #22

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It might feel different depending where you live. If one lives in Europe, I don't see why US or Chinese spying should be perceived differently.

Maybe because there are human rights in the US?

Why does the US having an arguably better domestic human rights record than China make it preferable for a European to be spied on by the US government rather than the Chinese government?

As an American I'd rather be spied on by China than my own government because China spying on me won't discover anything that they can use against me themselves. That's not so for my own government.

I'd expect this is similar in most countries. Your own government is the biggest danger because your own government has much more power over you than foreign governments and much more interest in you. The biggest threat for an average civilian from a foreign government spying on them is that the foreign government might share that information with their their own government.

Since many European governments have close intelligence sharing arrangements with the US and do not have such arrangements with China, I'd expect that for the average European it would be better to be spied on by China than the US.

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