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Is It a Pandemic Yet?

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Can someone explain to me why coronavirus is getting so much coverage? According to Wikipedia, Coronavirus has killed about 2000 people. Each year smoking kills 480,000 people in the US. In two days smoking will have killed more people in the US than coronavirus has worldwide. Shouldn't we have headlines about this every day? Or any of the other far more deadly things (traffic accidents, heart disease, suicide, etc.)…

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Our media is referring to "patient zero" in Italy as a 38 years-old man. So either he is known or our media is full of your-know-that. Which would not be surprising. Edit: a commenter below correctly pointed out that that 38yo man is being referred to as "patient one" not "patient zero". My bad.

I think they're referring to him as "patient one". Patient zero (i.e. someone who is or was ill and has recently come back from China) hasn't been found yet.

You are correct. And to clarify further: I was talking about Lithuanian media, not the Italian one.

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> And what should each of us do, beyond staying informed and washing our hands frequently? Keep calm and rational. It might be worth stocking some reserve of critical medications, for example — but not too much, because hoarding could create shortages. > We, as individuals, can also try to plan for basic contingencies. Companies can cross-train key staff members so that one person’s absence won’t derail the business.…

You don't need to stock up if you can get food delivered. They can leave the delivery on the doorstep.

You’re not taking into account panic buying / ordering. If it gets bad where you are people are just going to order as much as they can and then there won’t be enough - this already happened with masks here in the UK and we only have a few cases. I had to send some to Hong Kong for a family member a few weeks back and paid £20 for packs of 20 for proper n95 respirators. They’re now sold out online and everywhere despite being £15 EACH.

Stock up now while no-one is panicking yet. Don’t waste money buying weird stuff - Just get stuff you’ll use anyway over the next few months.

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Thankfully, this is a relatively mild virus. Part of what makes it hard to detect is that most cases (>80%) are mild, and many are actually asymptomatic: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-asia... The vast majority of people who have died have been elderly and/or infirm. The death rate under 60 is well under 1%. If you’re young and healthy, this is a chest cold. The biggest thing the media needs…

Disagree. The more people are conditioned to be vigilant the safer people will be. You don’t think you have any skin in the game, but I bet you wouldn’t be saying that if you were in Northern Italy right now.

Vigilant about what? There is no action you should be taking besides maybe storing some water and food.

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> And what should each of us do, beyond staying informed and washing our hands frequently? Keep calm and rational. It might be worth stocking some reserve of critical medications, for example — but not too much, because hoarding could create shortages. > We, as individuals, can also try to plan for basic contingencies. Companies can cross-train key staff members so that one person’s absence won’t derail the business.…

You don't need to stock up if you can get food delivered. They can leave the delivery on the doorstep.

You're not accounting for the fact that in these types of situations, there is often a run on things like food. You can only get food delivered if the stores still have food.

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#126

Can someone explain to me why coronavirus is getting so much coverage? According to Wikipedia, Coronavirus has killed about 2000 people. Each year smoking kills 480,000 people in the US. In two days smoking will have killed more people in the US than coronavirus has worldwide. Shouldn't we have headlines about this every day? Or any of the other far more deadly things (traffic accidents, heart disease, suicide, etc.)…

Because the number of death from smoking or traffic accidents doesn't grow exponentially, as they're not caused by an infectious disease. You don't go from 100 lung cancer cases to 80,000 within a matter of weeks.

Also, consider second order effects. What happens to hospitals when you get 20k cases of something in a month, vs 20k over a year.

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> Some 152 cases (and at least three deaths) were confirmed in Italy on Sunday, up from three cases on Thursday. The number of infected people in South Korea jumped to 763 (and six deaths) in just days. To add an important point: In both countries, they have detected covid-19 only well after it has spread inside the country. E.g. in Italy it started with one severely ill patient who went to the hospital and got teste…

If this is asymptomatic do they eventually get sick or do they just harbor the virus? I don't understand how the virus can be asymptomatic? How does it reproduce and what triggers it to become symptomatic?

The virus can of course be asymptomatic, in fact it is asymptomatic in anyone when they first contract it. Then it’s up to their immune system to either fight it off or crumble. Whether symptoms show is just a matter of the severeness.

Symptoms like coughing and sneezing that discharge large droplets from the respiratory tract are a lot more effective at spreading the virus onto other hosts, but it appears that this virus is contagious enough that even asymptomatic hosts could spread it.

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A couple of excellent sources for COVID19: https://bnonews.com/index.php/2020/02/the-latest-coronavirus... (most up-to-date counter and news aggregator which includes a source for each reported number) https://www.reddit.com/r/COVID19/ (strictly moderated, lots of links to scientific reports and papers, no hoaxes and fake news) https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Z7VQ5xlf3BaTx_LBBbls... (spreadsheets with interes…

And another one by Johns Hopkins CSSE:

https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.h...

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> Some 152 cases (and at least three deaths) were confirmed in Italy on Sunday, up from three cases on Thursday. The number of infected people in South Korea jumped to 763 (and six deaths) in just days. To add an important point: In both countries, they have detected covid-19 only well after it has spread inside the country. E.g. in Italy it started with one severely ill patient who went to the hospital and got teste…

If this is asymptomatic do they eventually get sick or do they just harbor the virus? I don't understand how the virus can be asymptomatic? How does it reproduce and what triggers it to become symptomatic?

Being infected just means your cells have been infected and are starting to produce more viruses. That process is heavily dependent on viral load and the host's immune system. You're only symptomatic when your body begins a whole scale fight against the virus, before that, your body is still producing the virus (and you can spread it), but the virus isn't impacting you enough to be symptomatic.
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